Dont understand the salary question. ...
Dont understand the salary question. ...
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HannsG

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3,135 posts

163 months

Thursday 25th April 2013
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Mate went for an interview at a top firm in Birmingham

Salary indicated by HR was 45k. He got asked what he was currently on. He said mid thirties.

They said yeah that what they were looking to pay. Mate said thanks for wasting my time and walked out..

M777CUS

267 posts

164 months

Thursday 25th April 2013
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Is this a joke? Where is the punch line?

Surely your mate wouldn't be expecting the company to pay anymore than they need to (considering the market) to secure this role? Your mate should have been a little more creative with the truth.

Cyberprog

2,323 posts

212 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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He didn't do a very good job of selling himself then.

A better answer would be that he was currently in the mid thirties and that he was looking for 40k as the logical next step up, and then justified that by what he would bring to the business in terms of the difference between his current role and the new one, and his experience.

edc

9,620 posts

280 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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How about this: the salary was up to £45k. Having interviewed a few people they valued your mate's skills and experience at £35k compared to the rest.

Bullett

11,172 posts

213 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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maybe it was a £45k package (salary + bonus + car + health + pension etc)

illmonkey

19,807 posts

227 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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Strange to walk out. Should have carried on, and see what they ended up offering. It could have been a mistake, or a £35k-£45k role, and the person was just being rough with figures.

You can always say no to a job offer if its not enough, hell, they may even come back and offer a better deal.

shtu

4,507 posts

175 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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If the conversation went,

"So, what is your current salary?"
"£35k."
"Oh, right. OK, that's fine."

Then your friend is a chump. They were handed the opportunity to sell themselves and justify why they were worth £whatever, and they didn't take it.

irocfan

48,906 posts

219 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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he could just have said that "my currently salary is irrelevant, my skill-set however is xyz and that's why I'm worth the advertised figure"

The Beaver King

6,095 posts

224 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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Your mate made the mistake of answering the question too honestly.

Suitable replies would be:

"My current salary is within the £35-40k bracket" and then proceed to justify why you deserve a higher salary.

or

"My salary is at a level considered appropriate for my job description" and then sell yourself.

It's best not to lie. If your potential employer puts a reference call into your previous boss and they discuss your salary, if you've lied it will look bad.

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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Or the answer should be, "I'm looking at a salary in the £45K region"

snowy

541 posts

310 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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Or, I am looking to improve my Salary and one of the reason I applied for this job along with reason a:b:c and D was because I feel my skillset now represents what I can offer for the advertised Salary of 45k

HannsG

Original Poster:

3,135 posts

163 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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The Beaver King said:
Your mate made the mistake of answering the question too honestly.

Suitable replies would be:

"My current salary is within the £35-40k bracket" and then proceed to justify why you deserve a higher salary.

or

"My salary is at a level considered appropriate for my job description" and then sell yourself.

It's best not to lie. If your potential employer puts a reference call into your previous boss and they discuss your salary, if you've lied it will look bad.
Its very common knowledge that companies do not give out such details in regards to salary nowadays. Let alone personal references.


I assume the only way to check is via a P60 or wage slips or whatever.

WhereamI

6,887 posts

246 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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HannsG said:
The Beaver King said:
Your mate made the mistake of answering the question too honestly.

Suitable replies would be:

"My current salary is within the £35-40k bracket" and then proceed to justify why you deserve a higher salary.

or

"My salary is at a level considered appropriate for my job description" and then sell yourself.

It's best not to lie. If your potential employer puts a reference call into your previous boss and they discuss your salary, if you've lied it will look bad.
Its very common knowledge that companies do not give out such details in regards to salary nowadays. Let alone personal references.


I assume the only way to check is via a P60 or wage slips or whatever.
It's on your P45 that you have to give to your new employer. Salary is a daft thing to lie about because you can be absolutely certain that your new employer will get to know what you were on.

Dr_Rick

1,729 posts

277 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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irocfan said:
he could just have said that "my currently salary is irrelevant, my skill-set however is xyz and that's why I'm worth the advertised figure"
+1

This is exactly what I used and it actually raised a smile from the person doing the interview and no raised eyebrows or defensive comments or pressing of the point.

The salary you're on more or less is specific to the context in which you work. The fact that there could be a (large) gap between what you're on and what you're going for should be irrelevant. The firm you're with could pay light on basic and make it up with more generous overtime or perks. The new firm could have a more solid basic, hence the difference.

R8Steve

4,150 posts

204 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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Dr_Rick said:
irocfan said:
he could just have said that "my currently salary is irrelevant, my skill-set however is xyz and that's why I'm worth the advertised figure"
+1

This is exactly what I used and it actually raised a smile from the person doing the interview and no raised eyebrows or defensive comments or pressing of the point.

The salary you're on more or less is specific to the context in which you work. The fact that there could be a (large) gap between what you're on and what you're going for should be irrelevant. The firm you're with could pay light on basic and make it up with more generous overtime or perks. The new firm could have a more solid basic, hence the difference.
If i was interviewing someone that said that I would find it quite arrogant and defensive. The logic behind it makes sense though, it is a bit of a daft question as it really bears no relevance. It's like turning up to buy a car and the guy asking how much was your last one and amending the price appropriately.

Odie

4,187 posts

211 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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Stock answer - "I am paid well in my current position and in-line with market conditions and the results I deliver."

I agree with your mate walking out, it devalues the role and is highly unprofessional of the interviewer to make such a comment, job interviews are 2 ways they are interviewing you and you are also interviewing them, I wouldnt want to work for a company that has such disregard for employee's salary expectation.

Edited by Odie on Friday 26th April 15:00

Dr_Rick

1,729 posts

277 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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R8Steve said:
If i was interviewing someone that said that I would find it quite arrogant and defensive. The logic behind it makes sense though, it is a bit of a daft question as it really bears no relevance. It's like turning up to buy a car and the guy asking how much was your last one and amending the price appropriately.
Fair enough, yes it's defensive, and I didn't add the line about 'why I'm worth the advertised figure', but I'm sure it was understood that that was what I was implying. I simply stated that my current salary related to my current role and that it was the balance of my current skill set vs their advertised role that was in question, not whether I was paid and amount I was happy to continue receiving.

Terminator X

20,478 posts

233 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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I tend to go at it from a "this is what I need to earn" perspective rather than "this is what I earn now" ...

If asked politely decline to discuss it or if pushed lie. Chances of being found out (in a large company) are slim imho and indeed my experience wink

TX.

Terminator X

20,478 posts

233 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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WhereamI said:
HannsG said:
The Beaver King said:
Your mate made the mistake of answering the question too honestly.

Suitable replies would be:

"My current salary is within the £35-40k bracket" and then proceed to justify why you deserve a higher salary.

or

"My salary is at a level considered appropriate for my job description" and then sell yourself.

It's best not to lie. If your potential employer puts a reference call into your previous boss and they discuss your salary, if you've lied it will look bad.
Its very common knowledge that companies do not give out such details in regards to salary nowadays. Let alone personal references.


I assume the only way to check is via a P60 or wage slips or whatever.
It's on your P45 that you have to give to your new employer. Salary is a daft thing to lie about because you can be absolutely certain that your new employer will get to know what you were on.
The people that see the P45 are not the people interviewing though and the interviewer will not be allowed to see it, you get me?!

TX.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

274 months

Friday 26th April 2013
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Terminator X said:
The people that see the P45 are not the people interviewing though and the interviewer will not be allowed to see it, you get me?!

TX.
I worked in a big firm and used to see them. People were *always* on less than they'd said in their application or at interview.