Made redundant over the phone

[Leptons]

Almost three weeks ago All 16 of us were told there was going to be between 1 and 3 redundancies.
I have only worked at the place 10 months, around the same time the owners sons took over and have been slowly running the place into the ground.
Fast forward two Thursdays ago and I have the day off as well as a the Friday Saturday Sunday for a wedding abroad. On the Monday I rung in sick ( dodgy wedding food). I was told that it was not good news and that they had taken into account everyone's skills etc. At this point I called bullst, I was in the top 3 most skilled there and when pressed the director of his daddy's company admitted it had come down to 'last in first out'.
Is there a case here for unfair dismissal? I still have no written confirmation or pay from the start of June etc.
I am in two minds whether to ring HSE and get them shut down (it's appalling) or take this muppets offer of a good reference.

[WhereamI]

At ten months you are an unprotected employee, they can effectively just dismiss you for no reason, unfair dismissal isn't an option for you.

Take the reference and move on.

[shep1001]

WhereamI said:

At ten months you are an unprotected employee, they can effectively just dismiss you for no reason, unfair dismissal isn't an option for you.

Take the reference and move on.

Then report them to the HSE. If its as bad as you elude to, whilst you will take some satisfaction from what happens, think of it more as preventing somebody from getting seriously injured or killed that could impact on peoples lives for a long long time.

[Leptons]

shep1001 said:

Then report them to the HSE. If its as bad as you elude to, whilst you will take some satisfaction from what happens, think of it more as preventing somebody from getting seriously injured or killed that could impact on peoples lives for a long long time.

Non existant guarding, interlocks overridden, very slippery floor with tiles missing and lifted up so tripping hazards. Oh and using dodgy home made fly cutters at 4k plus rpm. I could go on...

[N Dentressangle]

As said, your rights are limited because you have not worked there for long enough. I would take the reference and move on with your life - they sound crap to work for, anyway.

Also, to a cynical person, this:

Leptons said:

Fast forward two Thursdays ago and I have the day off as well as a the Friday Saturday Sunday for a wedding abroad. On the Monday I rung in sick ( dodgy wedding food).

sounds like 'I got so hammered at the wedding I'm too hungover like a badger to come into work, so I'm pulling a sickie'. I'd try to avoid sick leave absences on Mondays in your next job until you've been there for two years - the law's changed recently:

http://employmentlawclinic.com/articles/employment...

[Pothole]

Leptons said:

shep1001 said:

Then report them to the HSE. If its as bad as you elude to, whilst you will take some satisfaction from what happens, think of it more as preventing somebody from getting seriously injured or killed that could impact on peoples lives for a long long time.

Non existant guarding, interlocks overridden, very slippery floor with tiles missing and lifted up so tripping hazards. Oh and using dodgy home made fly cutters at 4k plus rpm. I could go on...

REPORT THEM!

[Leptons]

N Dentressangle said:

As said, your rights are limited because you have not worked there for long enough. I would take the reference and move on with your life.

Also, to a cynical person, this:

Leptons said:

Fast forward two Thursdays ago and I have the day off as well as a the Friday Saturday Sunday for a wedding abroad. On the Monday I rung in sick ( dodgy wedding food).

sounds like 'I got so hammered at the wedding I'm too hungover like a badger to come into work, so I'm pulling a sickie'. I'd try to avoid sick leave absences on Mondays in your next job until you've been there for two years - the law's changed recently:

http://employmentlawclinic.com/articles/employment...

Of course. I already knew I was history as they had started training the resident brown noser up to do my job so was past caring.

I think as soon as I get my money (Friday is pay day) I will be putting a call in.

[blade7]

Leptons said:

shep1001 said:

Then report them to the HSE. If its as bad as you elude to, whilst you will take some satisfaction from what happens, think of it more as preventing somebody from getting seriously injured or killed that could impact on peoples lives for a long long time.

Non existant guarding, interlocks overridden, very slippery floor with tiles missing and lifted up so tripping hazards. Oh and using dodgy home made fly cutters at 4k plus rpm. I could go on...

But this was all OK as long as they were paying you ?, report it by all means but it no prospective employer will knowingly welcome a whistle blower. Take a written reference, your employer could say pretty much anything off the record on the phone about you..

[Leptons]

blade7 said:

But this was all OK as long as they were paying you ?, report it by all means but it no prospective employer will knowingly welcome a whistle blower. Take a written reference, your employer could say pretty much anything off the record on the phone about you..

I don't like being fked about. Head hunted for a role and then made redundant after I have passed on my expertise so they can try and get away with using semi skilled cheaper men and buy a new machine.
I left a secure job for these s.

[anonymous-user]

Leptons said:

N Dentressangle said:

As said, your rights are limited because you have not worked there for long enough. I would take the reference and move on with your life.

Also, to a cynical person, this:

Leptons said:

Fast forward two Thursdays ago and I have the day off as well as a the Friday Saturday Sunday for a wedding abroad. On the Monday I rung in sick ( dodgy wedding food).

sounds like 'I got so hammered at the wedding I'm too hungover like a badger to come into work, so I'm pulling a sickie'. I'd try to avoid sick leave absences on Mondays in your next job until you've been there for two years - the law's changed recently:

http://employmentlawclinic.com/articles/employment...

Of course. I already knew I was history as they had started training the resident brown noser up to do my job so was past caring.

I think as soon as I get my money (Friday is pay day) I will be putting a call in.

I think it's becoming clear why you were selected for redundancy. I'd have probably done the same. Uncommitted, negative, scrounging employees are always top of the list.

[Leptons]

REALIST123 said:

I think it's becoming clear why you were selected for redundancy. I'd have probably done the same. Uncommitted, negative, scrounging employees are always top of the list.

Really? I was hard working and highly motivated until the redundancies were announced. I'm not stupid. The others were family members or would've had to be paid off. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work it out...

[jagracer]

Leptons said:

I left a secure job for these s.

So who's the ?

[Leptons]

jagracer said:

So who's the ?

Of course, it must be me for leaving a job for more money and better prospects.

How very silly of me.

[Tribal Chestnut]

jagracer said:

So who's the ?

Sounds to me like the op is a bit foolish and the employer is the c**t (never noticed before, but naughty words are visible in all their glory when quoting).

I hope this eases your confusion, old boy.

[crazy about cars]

There's a difference between getting made redundant and getting the sack.

In your case I believe it's redundancy. I personally would advise you to move on and don't burn bridges.

[jagracer]

Tribal Chestnut said:

Sounds to me like the op is a bit foolish and the employer is the c**t (never noticed before, but naughty words are visible in all their glory when quoting).

I hope this eases your confusion, old boy.

Sounds to me like the OP is pretty pissed off for being taken for a ride and so he should be but saying an employer is a is foolish. They are obviously running the company in whatever direction they want it to go, It's just not the direction the OP wants.
He'd be better spending his energy finding another job rather than wasting it on a fight he wont win. Just my opinion but experience has made me a cynical old .

Edited by jagracer on Sunday 23 June 12:12

[Terminator X]

Leptons said:

jagracer said:

So who's the ?

Of course, it must be me for leaving a job for more money and better prospects.

How very silly of me.

This is P/Heads after all, stop talking all sensible! Just take their money and move on imho, as unfair as it sounds it rarely does any good exacting some sort of revenge.

TX.

[tex200]

I appreciate that the OP is feeling quite angry about the situation but I think he ought to keep in mind that employees and employers both have obligations with regards to H&S in the workplace.

Reporting the employer to HSE for alleged unsafe practices etc. may backfire spectacularly on the OP and any/all other employees who are, or have been, happily working in such circumstances.

Best thing to do is accept your redundancy and move on.

[WhereamI]

The process for reporting health and safety issues is to start by raising them with the employer, it's only if this has been done and the employer has not taken action that the HSE (if it is the relevant body) will get involved and their first step will be to contact the employer to get them to investigate.

So if the conditions are unsafe reporting them may lead to them improving and that may cost the employer some money, but the HSE isn't going to pile in there and shut them down.

[tighnamara]

Leptons said:

Non existant guarding, interlocks overridden, very slippery floor with tiles missing and lifted up so tripping hazards. Oh and using dodgy home made fly cutters at 4k plus rpm. I could go on...

If things are so bad, why are you only now looking at informing the HSE after you have been chosen for redundancy ?
I would be glad at getting the opportunity to "leave" if things are so bad as you say.
I gues there is another side to the story, starting with tou taking the Monday off after a wedding.