Accepted new job offer, which now looks very risky
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Struggle to describe fully in the thread title, but here goes.
I work in IT/Telecoms and due to frustration in current role applied and was successful for a role elsewhere.
Was impressed in the interview with the opportunity to build a new team and struck an instant rapport with the two guys interviewing, one of whom was a peer and the other my proposed manager. It's in a managed services organisation, providing operational services for an external customer
After some deliberation, accepted offer, signed contract and have resigned in my current role, currently working my notice period.
So, now comes the issues....last week I heard from my proposed manager, he has resigned and is leaving in the next week or so, he was clearly being careful what he was saying, but was clearly unhappy with the situation and gave me the clear impression it currently isn't a great place to be. Not sure if he was pushed or jumped, but at least two of my new peers are now seeking to leave.
So, my new manager is definitely leaving. The other guy who interviewed me wants to leave and possibly others. I'm now wondering what the hell I'm going to walk into ! From being excited about a new opportunity, I'm now left thinking what have I done?????
I'm seriously considering discussing staying put with my current boss, they didn't want me to leave, just not sure where I stand legally as my resignation has been accepted and I've signed a new contract....
From those in the know...any advice...what do you think my options are?
I work in IT/Telecoms and due to frustration in current role applied and was successful for a role elsewhere.
Was impressed in the interview with the opportunity to build a new team and struck an instant rapport with the two guys interviewing, one of whom was a peer and the other my proposed manager. It's in a managed services organisation, providing operational services for an external customer
After some deliberation, accepted offer, signed contract and have resigned in my current role, currently working my notice period.
So, now comes the issues....last week I heard from my proposed manager, he has resigned and is leaving in the next week or so, he was clearly being careful what he was saying, but was clearly unhappy with the situation and gave me the clear impression it currently isn't a great place to be. Not sure if he was pushed or jumped, but at least two of my new peers are now seeking to leave.
So, my new manager is definitely leaving. The other guy who interviewed me wants to leave and possibly others. I'm now wondering what the hell I'm going to walk into ! From being excited about a new opportunity, I'm now left thinking what have I done?????
I'm seriously considering discussing staying put with my current boss, they didn't want me to leave, just not sure where I stand legally as my resignation has been accepted and I've signed a new contract....
From those in the know...any advice...what do you think my options are?
Out of the frying pan into the fire as they say.
I've dodged this very bullet once and fortunately for me I got cold feet at the last minute due to one turn of phrase the interviewer used.
The company went under 9 months later.
However, as you've resigned and a working notice I can't see what you can do other than suck it and see. No point staying as you're clearly not happy there.
I've dodged this very bullet once and fortunately for me I got cold feet at the last minute due to one turn of phrase the interviewer used.
The company went under 9 months later.
However, as you've resigned and a working notice I can't see what you can do other than suck it and see. No point staying as you're clearly not happy there.
mu0n said:
I'd see it as an opportunity to climb the ladder more quickly in your new place. 
Suck it and see. If it's not your thing, then just look elsewhere after you start. That's what I'd be doing anyway.
I'd do this ^^ it's not a prison sentence and the IT job market is very good at the moment - you should be able to move on easy enough if it does turn into a nightmare. As above though it could be your chance to move up and "cock and ball it" - turn it into the place you want!Suck it and see. If it's not your thing, then just look elsewhere after you start. That's what I'd be doing anyway.
I have seen this from both sides. A couple of years ago I left a very senior position - in the same week, 9 others left and others had resigned while I was on my notice period. Since then, many others have gone. However, new people came in, there was another management restructuring, and they seem to be sorting themselves out.
More recently, I joined a company in June that I knew fairly well. They were a supplier to me, and I thought they had a promising product and good people. A month later the CEO left, and since I reported to him and we hadn't really firmed up the job description (there were plenty of agreed short term issues to deal with first) I was a bit concerned. The new CEO offered me a great role two days later, and I couldn't be happier.
So, it can work out just fine!
If you have an exit interview, don't burn your bridges and agree to keep in touch.
More recently, I joined a company in June that I knew fairly well. They were a supplier to me, and I thought they had a promising product and good people. A month later the CEO left, and since I reported to him and we hadn't really firmed up the job description (there were plenty of agreed short term issues to deal with first) I was a bit concerned. The new CEO offered me a great role two days later, and I couldn't be happier.
So, it can work out just fine!
If you have an exit interview, don't burn your bridges and agree to keep in touch.
mudster said:
Having signed and returned the new contract, if you decide to stay where you are, could you not also be liable for the costs of agency staff/contractors and subsequent recruitment costs of the new company. May be a small risk though.
Nope, no recruitment agency costs incurred until he starts (or not, in which case no cost).It happens, companies deal with and I've never heard of them going after the guy who didn't start.
mondeoman said:
mudster said:
Having signed and returned the new contract, if you decide to stay where you are, could you not also be liable for the costs of agency staff/contractors and subsequent recruitment costs of the new company. May be a small risk though.
Nope, no recruitment agency costs incurred until he starts (or not, in which case no cost).It happens, companies deal with and I've never heard of them going after the guy who didn't start.
edc said:
Unless there are some peculiar contractual arrangements between job hunter and agency there will be no obligation for a person to cover any costs to the agency.
I ran a recruitment agency for 23 years and never came across such an arrangement. Even if it was in a contract it is doubtful that it would be enforceable.bad company said:
I ran a recruitment agency for 23 years and never came across such an arrangement. Even if it was in a contract it is doubtful that it would be enforceable.
I have never seen it either as an agency side recruiter or now as somebody on the company side. However, I have not worked agency side for 10 years or so now but since then you have the like of websites/companies like the Ladders who charge fees, or at least used to, to the job hunter. There could be something in T&Cs of those arrangements that could penalise a person.edc said:
bad company said:
I ran a recruitment agency for 23 years and never came across such an arrangement. Even if it was in a contract it is doubtful that it would be enforceable.
I have never seen it either as an agency side recruiter or now as somebody on the company side. However, I have not worked agency side for 10 years or so now but since then you have the like of websites/companies like the Ladders who charge fees, or at least used to, to the job hunter. There could be something in T&Cs of those arrangements that could penalise a person.bad company said:
BrabusMog said:
Most recruiters I've used in the past don't get paid in full until the new candidate has been in the role for 3 months.
That sounds suicidal from the recruiters pov.edc said:
bad company said:
BrabusMog said:
Most recruiters I've used in the past don't get paid in full until the new candidate has been in the role for 3 months.
That sounds suicidal from the recruiters pov.Obviously final decision will be yours but I had a vaguely similar situation where I currently work. I had a superb interview with my manager and then 4 weeks later and a week before I was due to start I went in to meet the team etc and her boss took me to one side and explained that she was leaving.
I was very uncertain as I'd really been looking forward to working with her however it seems that she hadn't been quite right for the role / team whatever but it did make me question what I was going into. I took my chances and carried on in the role, knowing that I'd now be reporting into a more senior manager which I took as an opportunity and it was the best career move I've made to date. I got a load of responsibility and independence early and made the most of it.
Clearly this may not be exactly the same situation but don't assume it's going to be automatically bad
I was very uncertain as I'd really been looking forward to working with her however it seems that she hadn't been quite right for the role / team whatever but it did make me question what I was going into. I took my chances and carried on in the role, knowing that I'd now be reporting into a more senior manager which I took as an opportunity and it was the best career move I've made to date. I got a load of responsibility and independence early and made the most of it.
Clearly this may not be exactly the same situation but don't assume it's going to be automatically bad
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