Chartered Manager: how worthwhile is achieving this?

[SVS]

What are your thoughts about the value of achieving Chartered Manager (CMgr) status? Have you done it? Do you know anyone who's done it?

There appear to be different routes to achieving Chartered status.



What do you think?

[rog007]

As an employer and a manager myself, I think it certainly adds value to those who strive to be as good as they can be. Whilst the award itself can add a margin of differentiation between two close CVs if one needs sifting out, it is the benefit of going through the process that adds the most value. If you appreciate the value of reflective practice as a means for improvement, then this is the award for you, and more importantly, those whom you are privileged to lead. Good luck!

[98elise]

If that process map came from their website, then its pretty poor for an organisation that aims to set standards for managers.

[SVS]

Hi 98elise,

What's wrong with the process map? It looked clear enough to me.

I'm not a process expert of any sort. So I'm curious to know what's wrong with it.

[Mobile Chicane]

Chartered Manager?

Now I've seen it all.

I can see the value of Chartered status in technical roles where you (arguably) need to know what you're doing: Accountant, Engineer, etc, but Manager?

Really?

[Viperz888]

98elise said:

If that process map came from their website, then its pretty poor for an organisation that aims to set standards for managers.

What a mess

[craigjm]

CMI is a complete waste of time. Save your money and go and do a decent management qualification. I have dealt with the CMI a number of times when looking to accredit management and leadership programmes for large organisations including looking at chartered management status and to be honest I wasn't impressed. Wouldn't make any difference to me in the recruitment process either

[Steffan]

The OP may feel some benefit from this acquisition. I cannot see any real advantage from an employment perspective. Money for old rope?

[PlankWithANailIn]

The flow chart is rubbish, its not clear where the start of it is, you have to following backwards for it to make any sense.

The deal here seems to be that you give them a grand and they give you a certificate, and as far as I can see this certificate is not a requirement for any jobs on offer in the UK today...or possibly ever.

I say go for it.

[SVS]

Rog, I'd be interested to know more about the reflective practice element. Have you experience of this? If so, could you describe the value? Would this be quite limited for someone going through the qualified route?

rog007 said:

the benefit of going through the process that adds the most value. If you appreciate the value of reflective practice as a means for improvement, then this is the award for you

I don't need anymore management qualifications. It's merely the process that's of possible interest. However, a lot depends on the quality of assessor and feedback. Rog, do you know the background and experience of typical assessor?

craigjm said:

I have dealt with the CMI a number of times when looking to accredit management and leadership programmes for large organisations including looking at chartered management status and to be honest I wasn't impressed.

Craig, I'd be interested to know more about what was wrong. My interest was in learning from the Chartered process; I certainly don't need the CMgr qualification.

[phil-sti]

I'm looking at a similar thing. I have loads of qualifications but no degree, 12 years of transport experience last 4 in charge of blue chip company contracts. Do you think this is enough to get chartered status?

[LooneyTunes]

Speak to them and find out?

Would it be too cynical to suspect that their rejection rate won't be high?

From memory? IoD also do Chartered Director. Much more PH. :-

[rog007]

Reflecting upon your own management practice and behaviours as a means to improvement is considered by many as an essential activity. A quick google of 'reflective practice' will explain further if that's helpful.

Good luck!

[craigjm]

SVS the problem that I encountered with them is that it was all qualification based (do a level 5 diploma etc) or interview based but it didn't address key criteria for me. You can be a manager for 30 years with the best team in an easy environment or you could be a manager with 3 years experience with a team full of stbags and a tough environment. This process doesn't see the difference. To me you are an experienced manager when you have dealt with disciplinaries, grievances, been to employment tribunals and all the crap stuff that comes with the territory. You can be a chartered manager and yet never experienced any of that. What use are you then when the st hits the fan?

[1thomasP]

I disagree. Being the oldest management certifying body, and one that serves under the privy council gives this designation destinction. The means of attainment is rigorous, and dependant upon satisfactory results. As such the designation is recognized in most nations on Earth as the premier management designation. A Chartered Manager is one with people, human relations, and team building skills in addition to technical skills. A Chartered Manager is one with proven expertise having a solid understanding of global business strategies, micro/macro economics, hr etc. Not just the management of their own unique organization.

Their level 3-7 qualifications are similarly globally recognized.

[vaud]

1thomasP said:

I disagree. Being the oldest management certifying body, and one that serves under the privy council gives this designation destinction. The means of attainment is rigorous, and dependant upon satisfactory results. As such the designation is recognized in most nations on Earth as the premier management designation. A Chartered Manager is one with people, human relations, and team building skills in addition to technical skills. A Chartered Manager is one with proven expertise having a solid understanding of global business strategies, micro/macro economics, hr etc. Not just the management of their own unique organization.

Their level 3-7 qualifications are similarly globally recognized.

1) What an odd post for your first to a motoring forum...

2) A post from 2014.

3) It doesn't "serve under the privy council". It's Royal Charter was granted by the PC. Not the same thing.

4) Like so many others, chartered status is useful in some fields. I don't think management is one of them. I have never in 20 years of hiring seen an application with "Chartered Manager" mentioned, and nor would I value it significantly.

[98elise]

SVS said:

Hi 98elise,

What's wrong with the process map? It looked clear enough to me.

I'm not a process expert of any sort. So I'm curious to know what's wrong with it.

To answer a very old question.....

Process diagrams follow rules depending on the standards used, however even the most basic process diagrams should have:

Start/end events (normally circles)
Tasks (normally oblong shaped)
Gateways/decisions (normally diamonds)

That looks like it was the first attempt by someone that's never drawn a process before. Its really is missing the most basic things, like decisions.

[PSB1]

98elise said:

If that process map came from their website, then its pretty poor for an organisation that aims to set standards for managers.

Indeed, but let’s not tell them. Otherwise they’ll invent the Institute of Process Mapping and make you a Fellow.

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1thomasP said:

I disagree. Being the oldest management certifying body, and one that serves under the privy council gives this designation destinction. The means of attainment is rigorous, and dependant upon satisfactory results. As such the designation is recognized in most nations on Earth as the premier management designation. A Chartered Manager is one with people, human relations, and team building skills in addition to technical skills. A Chartered Manager is one with proven expertise having a solid understanding of global business strategies, micro/macro economics, hr etc. Not just the management of their own unique organization.

Their level 3-7 qualifications are similarly globally recognized.

Seems legit

[edc]

Anything that improves and expands your knowledge and learning is IMO worthwhile.