I'm concerned about a Change to my job start time
Discussion
Some of the guys in the team find it difficult to get to work on time due to traffic/travelling issues.
The team have been asked to consider an earlier/later start time of 30 minutes. This would mean the whole team changing to a new agreed start time.
Although just 30mins the change does not suit everyone. Would there need to be a unanimous vote in favour for our employer to make this change to working hours? OR, Can my employer force me to accept this change based just on a majority vote to support a select few who clearly have personal travel to work issues?
The team have been asked to consider an earlier/later start time of 30 minutes. This would mean the whole team changing to a new agreed start time.
Although just 30mins the change does not suit everyone. Would there need to be a unanimous vote in favour for our employer to make this change to working hours? OR, Can my employer force me to accept this change based just on a majority vote to support a select few who clearly have personal travel to work issues?
Can flexible hours not be part of the deal, or do you have workmates on other shifts to tie in with?
Sometimes staff coming in a little early and others leaving a little later can actually offer a little more cover.
As long as you manage to cover your 38 hours without disturbing other's working hours, it shouldn't really make much difference.
Sometimes staff coming in a little early and others leaving a little later can actually offer a little more cover.
As long as you manage to cover your 38 hours without disturbing other's working hours, it shouldn't really make much difference.
Driver101 said:
Can flexible hours not be part of the deal, or do you have workmates on other shifts to tie in with?
Sometimes staff coming in a little early and others leaving a little later can actually offer a little more cover.
As long as you manage to cover your 38 hours without disturbing other's working hours, it shouldn't really make much difference.
Thank you driver101 for the prompt respone. The team would need to all change to the new proposed working times, we all start and finish the same time. I know a couple of us are anti the change, some will support their colleagues and accept the change. Can I be forced to change based on others personal circumstances, there has not been a business need put forward.Sometimes staff coming in a little early and others leaving a little later can actually offer a little more cover.
As long as you manage to cover your 38 hours without disturbing other's working hours, it shouldn't really make much difference.
PARTYANNA said:
Some of the guys in the team find it difficult to get to work on time due to traffic/travelling issues.
Are you talking trains or are they just too lazy to get up early enough to be on time? I had one specific person like this and the only way to resolve was a disciplinary until he got his lazy arse in gear. We ran a split rota to cover early/late helpdesk at my old place which negated the need for a blanket early start.Cupramax said:
Are you talking trains or are they just too lazy to get up early enough to be on time? I had one specific person like this and the only way to resolve was a disciplinary until he got his lazy arse in gear. We ran a split rota to cover early/late helpdesk at my old place which negated the need for a blanket early start.
Car journeys. There is an element of lazy R's. The selected few all travel in the same direction on a known bad traffic route however, they did apply for the job and after a year+ now asking for a time start change, which will have to apply to the entire team. It seems that management may be reluctant to follow disciplinary perhaps they are trying the team 'time change' approach first I dont know.It may be possible to negotiate the new time start, not restrict to the 30 minutes BUT all the team will have to start/finish at the same time. Employer is asking for a team agreement acceptance of the change and will act on a majority vote. It will be impossible to have a unanimous agreement across the team. Myself and a few others do not want to change.
My question is: Can the employer 'impose' the start time change on those not in favour when there is no business justification just personal circumstances of some team members.
longshot said:
What kind of work is it?
Does it have to be 30 minutes earlier or could a comprimise be found?
Service desk with openning times advertised and adhered to. Therefore fixed working day.Does it have to be 30 minutes earlier or could a comprimise be found?
It may be possible to negotiate the new time start, not restrict to the 30 minutes BUT all the team will have to start/finish at the same time. Employer is asking for a team agreement acceptance of the change and will act on a majority vote. It will be impossible to have a unanimous agreement across the team. Myself and a few others do not want to change.
My question is: Can the employer 'impose' the start time change on those not in favour when there is no business justification just personal circumstances of some team members.
PARTYANNA said:
Service desk with openning times advertised and adhered to. Therefore fixed working day.
It may be possible to negotiate the new time start, not restrict to the 30 minutes BUT all the team will have to start/finish at the same time. Employer is asking for a team agreement acceptance of the change and will act on a majority vote. It will be impossible to have a unanimous agreement across the team. Myself and a few others do not want to change.
My question is: Can the employer 'impose' the start time change on those not in favour when there is no business justification just personal circumstances of some team members.
Surely your employer just has to give you a months notice of your hours changing and that's that?It may be possible to negotiate the new time start, not restrict to the 30 minutes BUT all the team will have to start/finish at the same time. Employer is asking for a team agreement acceptance of the change and will act on a majority vote. It will be impossible to have a unanimous agreement across the team. Myself and a few others do not want to change.
My question is: Can the employer 'impose' the start time change on those not in favour when there is no business justification just personal circumstances of some team members.
0a said:
Out of interest is there any reason why you don't want to change? I find that I soon adjust to shifting my day an hour or so either way. I understand if things like kids school times make it less convenient though.
Those that don't want to change is because of their own personal commitments outside of work. Whilst we are OK with the idea of helping out our colleagues. The change would then become our issue to juggle and get to work on time.There is no business justification put forward, the request to change is to help others travel to work. Can my employer enforce the change?
Has your employer done any analysis as to the number of calls they get say 9.00-9.30am and 5.00-5.30pm? (I'm making an assumption as to your start and finish times here).
Surely this would be the first point of attention - a large number of calls at 9-9.30 would suggest having people in early would benefit the team, and they could trial an early start with a smaller number of the team who finish earlier, while the rest of the team stay on till 5.30 to soak up the rest of the calls. On the other hand, a heavy 5-5.30 workload would suggest that the team is all needed at this point in the evening, and an early start won't help.
Surely this would be the first point of attention - a large number of calls at 9-9.30 would suggest having people in early would benefit the team, and they could trial an early start with a smaller number of the team who finish earlier, while the rest of the team stay on till 5.30 to soak up the rest of the calls. On the other hand, a heavy 5-5.30 workload would suggest that the team is all needed at this point in the evening, and an early start won't help.
PARTYANNA said:
0a said:
Out of interest is there any reason why you don't want to change? I find that I soon adjust to shifting my day an hour or so either way. I understand if things like kids school times make it less convenient though.
Those that don't want to change is because of their own personal commitments outside of work. Whilst we are OK with the idea of helping out our colleagues. The change would then become our issue to juggle and get to work on time.There is no business justification put forward, the request to change is to help others travel to work. Can my employer enforce the change?
I would be a little more open minded about it - it's nice that the company is willing to look at this sort of thing rather than rejecting it out of hand. It's entirely possible that starting and finishing 30 minutes earlier or later will avoid the worst of the traffic and give everyone back some time that would otherwise be wasted in traffic. I think it might be worth asking whether you can try commuting early and late just to see what sort of a difference it makes.
cossy400 said:
So your getting upset over half an hour here??
Welcome to Britain people commiting suicide over not bein able to get a job at all and your creatin over bein asked to start 30 mins early.
Her issue (imo) is the fact that shes having to potentially change HER start time due to her colleagues inability to come into work on time.Welcome to Britain people commiting suicide over not bein able to get a job at all and your creatin over bein asked to start 30 mins early.
Now the result is that while others MAY be able to make it to work in time - other staff members like OP who managed fine with the current start time - now will have difficulty in getting to work.
Sir Fergie said:
cossy400 said:
So your getting upset over half an hour here??
Welcome to Britain people commiting suicide over not bein able to get a job at all and your creatin over bein asked to start 30 mins early.
Her issue (imo) is the fact that shes having to potentially change HER start time due to her colleagues inability to come into work on time.Welcome to Britain people commiting suicide over not bein able to get a job at all and your creatin over bein asked to start 30 mins early.
Now the result is that while others MAY be able to make it to work in time - other staff members like OP who managed fine with the current start time - now will have difficulty in getting to work.
Ive very little time for people that make mountains out of molehills.
davepoth said:
They can ask you to sign a new contract, which you can either accept or reject. Rejecting means you are effectively resigning.
No it doesn't mean you are resigning. You need to make it clear you aren't accepting the change and continue to not accept it by not obeying it, so if you don't accept it continue to work the original hours. The employer may then choose to dismiss and if they do that may be seen as unfair.But if you decide to not accept then get real professional advice, not a forum, not ACAS, a solicitor with an employment speciality. This is a complex area and not for the amateur.
Sir Fergie said:
cossy400 said:
So your getting upset over half an hour here??
Welcome to Britain people commiting suicide over not bein able to get a job at all and your creatin over bein asked to start 30 mins early.
Her issue (imo) is the fact that shes having to potentially change HER start time due to her colleagues inability to come into work on time.Welcome to Britain people commiting suicide over not bein able to get a job at all and your creatin over bein asked to start 30 mins early.
Now the result is that while others MAY be able to make it to work in time - other staff members like OP who managed fine with the current start time - now will have difficulty in getting to work.
Cyberprog said:
Has your employer done any analysis as to the number of calls they get say 9.00-9.30am and 5.00-5.30pm? (I'm making an assumption as to your start and finish times here).
Surely this would be the first point of attention - a large number of calls at 9-9.30 would suggest having people in early would benefit the team, and they could trial an early start with a smaller number of the team who finish earlier, while the rest of the team stay on till 5.30 to soak up the rest of the calls. On the other hand, a heavy 5-5.30 workload would suggest that the team is all needed at this point in the evening, and an early start won't help.
No information of this kind has been put to us. I will put this to the team but feel that this may then lead to our employer having a business reason to justify the change. However this could work in our favour if minimum/no impact on our customers. Not sure that our employer is that daft not to have checked customer impact before giving us the opportunity to discuss and agree amongst the team, but who knows about management!. The factor that can't be amended if that we ALL need to start/finish at the same time.Surely this would be the first point of attention - a large number of calls at 9-9.30 would suggest having people in early would benefit the team, and they could trial an early start with a smaller number of the team who finish earlier, while the rest of the team stay on till 5.30 to soak up the rest of the calls. On the other hand, a heavy 5-5.30 workload would suggest that the team is all needed at this point in the evening, and an early start won't help.
PARTYANNA said:
Service desk with openning times advertised and adhered to. Therefore fixed working day.
It may be possible to negotiate the new time start, not restrict to the 30 minutes BUT all the team will have to start/finish at the same time.
You operate a service desk which requires all team members to be there all the time, but that time can give or take be shifted by half an hour? As you say, the business case needs examination.It may be possible to negotiate the new time start, not restrict to the 30 minutes BUT all the team will have to start/finish at the same time.
Also from your posts it looks like you have a bigger problem than some of the others on your 'team', is this specific? Will it incur extra costs that you can take to your employer as a bargaining chip?
Going to an employer with 'I'm happy to start earlier or finish later to fit in with the team if you can cover my extra costs' sounds way better than 'I love my comfy 9-5 and f
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