Looking for advice on a career in Motorsport
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Hello all.
I've joined this forum for a bit of advice if any of you out there can help. As in the title i'm looking for a career in Motorsport, I ultimately want become a truckie for a big team. I know i'm not going to go straight in to doing that kind of work, and know i'm going to need to start at the bottom and work my way up to that.
Basically i'm looking for a bit of advice, because i've applied for a batch of jobs at various places (about 25) and haven't heard anything back from any of them. I'm coming from a very different working background, from a very different industry, but i have a lot of skills and life experience that could transfer across well in to Motorsport. I'm only 21, so have youth on my side, i'm willing to relocate anywhere in the country, and above all i'm determined to prove myself give half a chance.
However, i'm just struggling to get someone to give me that chance. I'm just thinking is there some way i can make myself stand out more? Like following up applications a bit more, generally being a bit more forward, rather than just a piece of paper on a desk? Is it going against me that i'm looking to change career?
Any advice would be massively appreciated, especially from anyone in Motorsport if there are any of you out there. Just feel like i'm at a bit of a dead end sometimes!
Thanks in advance,
Joe
I've joined this forum for a bit of advice if any of you out there can help. As in the title i'm looking for a career in Motorsport, I ultimately want become a truckie for a big team. I know i'm not going to go straight in to doing that kind of work, and know i'm going to need to start at the bottom and work my way up to that.
Basically i'm looking for a bit of advice, because i've applied for a batch of jobs at various places (about 25) and haven't heard anything back from any of them. I'm coming from a very different working background, from a very different industry, but i have a lot of skills and life experience that could transfer across well in to Motorsport. I'm only 21, so have youth on my side, i'm willing to relocate anywhere in the country, and above all i'm determined to prove myself give half a chance.
However, i'm just struggling to get someone to give me that chance. I'm just thinking is there some way i can make myself stand out more? Like following up applications a bit more, generally being a bit more forward, rather than just a piece of paper on a desk? Is it going against me that i'm looking to change career?
Any advice would be massively appreciated, especially from anyone in Motorsport if there are any of you out there. Just feel like i'm at a bit of a dead end sometimes!
Thanks in advance,
Joe
Take a bit of advice - and I've done this in the past, and trust me, it works.
It's pointless applying to race teams for jobs etc. in the traditional manner. Everyone does that. The competition is huge - and not just for race teams either...that goes for a lot of prospective employers.
You might (probably) not have any particular advantages or qualifications that makes you stand out from the rest. Only the cream get the breaks in Motorsport. So you need to elevate yourself above the crowd.
This involves a bit of nous, savvy, cheek and attitude. It needs to be done carefully and respectfully. However, it also needs to be done a little bit diligently and probably repeatably.
Direct action gets results in this life, if it is done right - always has done.
Draw up a list of the teams that you would be interested / happy to work for. Then do research, research, research on the team. Find out everything you can - from the cars, other staff, results, sponsors, where they test, what they do, and most of all - the key people, the decision makers. Find out their names, where they hang out, what kind of people they are. The internet is a GOLD MINE for this kind of information. I have used it prior to job interviews to impress the Directors with my knowledge of what their company strives to achieve, through to sales where I have got hold of the buyer and sold a solution to them that I know they would be receptive to, just by doing my homework.
Anyway, once you are armed with all this information, decide how and what YOU can offer the team, what your unique skills and experience is, and how you could be a useful and valued addition. Remember, race teams are run like any other business. If you can demonstrate how you might be able to save them the two Holy Grail things - 'Time and Money' - then they are usually receptive enough to at least want to talk some more...providing, like I said, you manage to speak to the right people.
Ok, so you've identified your skill set, and the key people at the team, and how you can sell your skills and above all enthusiasm. Don't forget - this is different for each team / company - so you need to hone a pitch that is applicable and unique to each. A 'one-size-fits-all' approach to procuring employment WILL NOT WORK.
Now for the hard bit - you need to get your FACE in front of them. Forget emails and job applications - you need, at the least, a telephone conversation - but best of all, a face-to-face opportunity. So - what do you do? You get in your car / on your bike / on the train / whatever, and you visit their base. You take a CV with you. You cheekily walk into the premises, preferably through an open door / shutter, and not via reception. You ask around for the main man (the one you've already identified through your homework) and you hope that the chap / people you speak to are caught off-guard enough to say 'er, yeah - he's over there / in that office mate.'
You approach your target, apologise for being such a cheeky b
d, but give him your pitch before he's had a chance to realise what's happening.
The same can be done at a race track. Find out where they are racing / testing, it's easy enough. Get in there and doorstep the main man.
Finally, an almost dead cert to get a foot in the door is to offer to volunteer to to anything, ANYTHING, unpaid for the team, so they might appreciate your commitment and conviction. You might be tea boy or gopher for a while, without pay. That's fine - just be ridiculously helpful, keen and enthusiastic if you are lucky enough to be offered such a thing.
Trust me - as someone who has used this trick to great effect once or twice when approaching prospective employers, it works...providing you do it right. Don't take the piss too much or be too bolshy - but do be nice, smile a lot, and convey your enthusiasm. The Directors I have met this way have loved my frank, forthright and unconventional approach - and I would imagine that a team owner, used to dealing with what kind of personality produces a winner, will definitely recognise and appreciate such a motivated mentality.
Give it a go, I dare you. And when you are successful, post back on here and thank me, ok?!
It's pointless applying to race teams for jobs etc. in the traditional manner. Everyone does that. The competition is huge - and not just for race teams either...that goes for a lot of prospective employers.
You might (probably) not have any particular advantages or qualifications that makes you stand out from the rest. Only the cream get the breaks in Motorsport. So you need to elevate yourself above the crowd.
This involves a bit of nous, savvy, cheek and attitude. It needs to be done carefully and respectfully. However, it also needs to be done a little bit diligently and probably repeatably.
Direct action gets results in this life, if it is done right - always has done.
Draw up a list of the teams that you would be interested / happy to work for. Then do research, research, research on the team. Find out everything you can - from the cars, other staff, results, sponsors, where they test, what they do, and most of all - the key people, the decision makers. Find out their names, where they hang out, what kind of people they are. The internet is a GOLD MINE for this kind of information. I have used it prior to job interviews to impress the Directors with my knowledge of what their company strives to achieve, through to sales where I have got hold of the buyer and sold a solution to them that I know they would be receptive to, just by doing my homework.
Anyway, once you are armed with all this information, decide how and what YOU can offer the team, what your unique skills and experience is, and how you could be a useful and valued addition. Remember, race teams are run like any other business. If you can demonstrate how you might be able to save them the two Holy Grail things - 'Time and Money' - then they are usually receptive enough to at least want to talk some more...providing, like I said, you manage to speak to the right people.
Ok, so you've identified your skill set, and the key people at the team, and how you can sell your skills and above all enthusiasm. Don't forget - this is different for each team / company - so you need to hone a pitch that is applicable and unique to each. A 'one-size-fits-all' approach to procuring employment WILL NOT WORK.
Now for the hard bit - you need to get your FACE in front of them. Forget emails and job applications - you need, at the least, a telephone conversation - but best of all, a face-to-face opportunity. So - what do you do? You get in your car / on your bike / on the train / whatever, and you visit their base. You take a CV with you. You cheekily walk into the premises, preferably through an open door / shutter, and not via reception. You ask around for the main man (the one you've already identified through your homework) and you hope that the chap / people you speak to are caught off-guard enough to say 'er, yeah - he's over there / in that office mate.'
You approach your target, apologise for being such a cheeky b
d, but give him your pitch before he's had a chance to realise what's happening.The same can be done at a race track. Find out where they are racing / testing, it's easy enough. Get in there and doorstep the main man.
Finally, an almost dead cert to get a foot in the door is to offer to volunteer to to anything, ANYTHING, unpaid for the team, so they might appreciate your commitment and conviction. You might be tea boy or gopher for a while, without pay. That's fine - just be ridiculously helpful, keen and enthusiastic if you are lucky enough to be offered such a thing.
Trust me - as someone who has used this trick to great effect once or twice when approaching prospective employers, it works...providing you do it right. Don't take the piss too much or be too bolshy - but do be nice, smile a lot, and convey your enthusiasm. The Directors I have met this way have loved my frank, forthright and unconventional approach - and I would imagine that a team owner, used to dealing with what kind of personality produces a winner, will definitely recognise and appreciate such a motivated mentality.
Give it a go, I dare you. And when you are successful, post back on here and thank me, ok?!
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Take a bit of advice - and I've done this in the past, and trust me, it works.
It's pointless applying to race teams for jobs etc. in the traditional manner. Everyone does that. The competition is huge - and not just for race teams either...that goes for a lot of prospective employers.
You might (probably) not have any particular advantages or qualifications that makes you stand out from the rest. Only the cream get the breaks in Motorsport. So you need to elevate yourself above the crowd.
This involves a bit of nous, savvy, cheek and attitude. It needs to be done carefully and respectfully. However, it also needs to be done a little bit diligently and probably repeatably.
Direct action gets results in this life, if it is done right - always has done.
Draw up a list of the teams that you would be interested / happy to work for. Then do research, research, research on the team. Find out everything you can - from the cars, other staff, results, sponsors, where they test, what they do, and most of all - the key people, the decision makers. Find out their names, where they hang out, what kind of people they are. The internet is a GOLD MINE for this kind of information. I have used it prior to job interviews to impress the Directors with my knowledge of what their company strives to achieve, through to sales where I have got hold of the buyer and sold a solution to them that I know they would be receptive to, just by doing my homework.
Anyway, once you are armed with all this information, decide how and what YOU can offer the team, what your unique skills and experience is, and how you could be a useful and valued addition. Remember, race teams are run like any other business. If you can demonstrate how you might be able to save them the two Holy Grail things - 'Time and Money' - then they are usually receptive enough to at least want to talk some more...providing, like I said, you manage to speak to the right people.
Ok, so you've identified your skill set, and the key people at the team, and how you can sell your skills and above all enthusiasm. Don't forget - this is different for each team / company - so you need to hone a pitch that is applicable and unique to each. A 'one-size-fits-all' approach to procuring employment WILL NOT WORK.
Now for the hard bit - you need to get your FACE in front of them. Forget emails and job applications - you need, at the least, a telephone conversation - but best of all, a face-to-face opportunity. So - what do you do? You get in your car / on your bike / on the train / whatever, and you visit their base. You take a CV with you. You cheekily walk into the premises, preferably through an open door / shutter, and not via reception. You ask around for the main man (the one you've already identified through your homework) and you hope that the chap / people you speak to are caught off-guard enough to say 'er, yeah - he's over there / in that office mate.'
You approach your target, apologise for being such a cheeky bd, but give him your pitch before he's had a chance to realise what's happening.
The same can be done at a race track. Find out where they are racing / testing, it's easy enough. Get in there and doorstep the main man.
Finally, an almost dead cert to get a foot in the door is to offer to volunteer to to anything, ANYTHING, unpaid for the team, so they might appreciate your commitment and conviction. You might be tea boy or gopher for a while, without pay. That's fine - just be ridiculously helpful, keen and enthusiastic if you are lucky enough to be offered such a thing.
Trust me - as someone who has used this trick to great effect once or twice when approaching prospective employers, it works...providing you do it right. Don't take the piss too much or be too bolshy - but do be nice, smile a lot, and convey your enthusiasm. The Directors I have met this way have loved my frank, forthright and unconventional approach - and I would imagine that a team owner, used to dealing with what kind of personality produces a winner, will definitely recognise and appreciate such a motivated mentality.
Give it a go, I dare you. And when you are successful, post back on here and thank me, ok?!
Fantastic post. Try Fortec they seem to alway be looking for people. If you look on there website it has the names of there team mangers. Just turn up one day.It's pointless applying to race teams for jobs etc. in the traditional manner. Everyone does that. The competition is huge - and not just for race teams either...that goes for a lot of prospective employers.
You might (probably) not have any particular advantages or qualifications that makes you stand out from the rest. Only the cream get the breaks in Motorsport. So you need to elevate yourself above the crowd.
This involves a bit of nous, savvy, cheek and attitude. It needs to be done carefully and respectfully. However, it also needs to be done a little bit diligently and probably repeatably.
Direct action gets results in this life, if it is done right - always has done.
Draw up a list of the teams that you would be interested / happy to work for. Then do research, research, research on the team. Find out everything you can - from the cars, other staff, results, sponsors, where they test, what they do, and most of all - the key people, the decision makers. Find out their names, where they hang out, what kind of people they are. The internet is a GOLD MINE for this kind of information. I have used it prior to job interviews to impress the Directors with my knowledge of what their company strives to achieve, through to sales where I have got hold of the buyer and sold a solution to them that I know they would be receptive to, just by doing my homework.
Anyway, once you are armed with all this information, decide how and what YOU can offer the team, what your unique skills and experience is, and how you could be a useful and valued addition. Remember, race teams are run like any other business. If you can demonstrate how you might be able to save them the two Holy Grail things - 'Time and Money' - then they are usually receptive enough to at least want to talk some more...providing, like I said, you manage to speak to the right people.
Ok, so you've identified your skill set, and the key people at the team, and how you can sell your skills and above all enthusiasm. Don't forget - this is different for each team / company - so you need to hone a pitch that is applicable and unique to each. A 'one-size-fits-all' approach to procuring employment WILL NOT WORK.
Now for the hard bit - you need to get your FACE in front of them. Forget emails and job applications - you need, at the least, a telephone conversation - but best of all, a face-to-face opportunity. So - what do you do? You get in your car / on your bike / on the train / whatever, and you visit their base. You take a CV with you. You cheekily walk into the premises, preferably through an open door / shutter, and not via reception. You ask around for the main man (the one you've already identified through your homework) and you hope that the chap / people you speak to are caught off-guard enough to say 'er, yeah - he's over there / in that office mate.'
You approach your target, apologise for being such a cheeky b
d, but give him your pitch before he's had a chance to realise what's happening.The same can be done at a race track. Find out where they are racing / testing, it's easy enough. Get in there and doorstep the main man.
Finally, an almost dead cert to get a foot in the door is to offer to volunteer to to anything, ANYTHING, unpaid for the team, so they might appreciate your commitment and conviction. You might be tea boy or gopher for a while, without pay. That's fine - just be ridiculously helpful, keen and enthusiastic if you are lucky enough to be offered such a thing.
Trust me - as someone who has used this trick to great effect once or twice when approaching prospective employers, it works...providing you do it right. Don't take the piss too much or be too bolshy - but do be nice, smile a lot, and convey your enthusiasm. The Directors I have met this way have loved my frank, forthright and unconventional approach - and I would imagine that a team owner, used to dealing with what kind of personality produces a winner, will definitely recognise and appreciate such a motivated mentality.
Give it a go, I dare you. And when you are successful, post back on here and thank me, ok?!
joeyj26 said:
Hello all.
I ultimately want become a truckie for a big team.
Joe
Hi Joe , do you know anyone at the moment who does this job ?I ultimately want become a truckie for a big team.
Joe
I have known a few. It's not all that you think it might be, you are young and would get a kick out of the traveling, but the long hours are not something a rookie would understand when he first took the job. Also it's not just about driving the truck. Depending on the Team you could also be responsible for managing the tyres and a whole load of other stuff like setting up the garage and taking it down after the race. Then there is the Bulls
t. After a very short while a "truckie" seems to think he is is charge. He then gets a very inflated view of his own self importance. There is one particular truckie who I still want to beat with a shovel.
I need to say that again, two years after leaving that team I still want to beat that guy with a shovel.
Hope this helps
cold thursday said:
Hi Joe , do you know anyone at the moment who does this job ?
I have known a few. It's not all that you think it might be, you are young and would get a kick out of the traveling, but the long hours are not something a rookie would understand when he first took the job. Also it's not just about driving the truck. Depending on the Team you could also be responsible for managing the tyres and a whole load of other stuff like setting up the garage and taking it down after the race. Then there is the Bullst. After a very short while a "truckie" seems to think he is is charge. He then gets a very inflated view of his own self importance.
There is one particular truckie who I still want to beat with a shovel.
I need to say that again, two years after leaving that team I still want to beat that guy with a shovel.
Hope this helps
This, 100% this. I'm in the game and believe me, this man knows!I have known a few. It's not all that you think it might be, you are young and would get a kick out of the traveling, but the long hours are not something a rookie would understand when he first took the job. Also it's not just about driving the truck. Depending on the Team you could also be responsible for managing the tyres and a whole load of other stuff like setting up the garage and taking it down after the race. Then there is the Bulls
t. After a very short while a "truckie" seems to think he is is charge. He then gets a very inflated view of his own self importance. There is one particular truckie who I still want to beat with a shovel.
I need to say that again, two years after leaving that team I still want to beat that guy with a shovel.
Hope this helps
My only question is, just the one?
n3il123 said:
You want to be a motorsport truckie?
Do you have an HGV license or any experience? If not go and get some as no team on this planet is going to spend the money to put you through one and then let you loose in their truck with their very expensive one off race car(s) in the back.
This.Do you have an HGV license or any experience? If not go and get some as no team on this planet is going to spend the money to put you through one and then let you loose in their truck with their very expensive one off race car(s) in the back.
Truckies for big race teams have years of experience covering Europe before they even get near a race team
If this is what you want to do, get a job at a regular haulier and do it well. Get experience, then apply for race teams.
Bear in mind this isn't all sitting on the pit wall with a 99 watching cars go round. Driving the truck will be a portion of your job. Whilst the race is on, you'll possibly be doing something else. When others are going home, you'll be the last to leave having packed everything up before your multi-hour drive home.
I know someone who wanted to work in motorsport hospitality. The realisation that they'd be serving food whilst hearing good racing going on but not being able to see it soon dawned on them. As did working most weekends whilst everyone else they knew wasn't....
Muzzer79 said:
This.
Truckies for big race teams have years of experience covering Europe before they even get near a race team
If this is what you want to do, get a job at a regular haulier and do it well. Get experience, then apply for race teams.
Bear in mind this isn't all sitting on the pit wall with a 99 watching cars go round. Driving the truck will be a portion of your job. Whilst the race is on, you'll possibly be doing something else. When others are going home, you'll be the last to leave having packed everything up before your multi-hour drive home.
I know someone who wanted to work in motorsport hospitality. The realisation that they'd be serving food whilst hearing good racing going on but not being able to see it soon dawned on them. As did working most weekends whilst everyone else they knew wasn't....
Your forgetting polishing the bloody thing all the time as well! Artics are bloody big!Truckies for big race teams have years of experience covering Europe before they even get near a race team
If this is what you want to do, get a job at a regular haulier and do it well. Get experience, then apply for race teams.
Bear in mind this isn't all sitting on the pit wall with a 99 watching cars go round. Driving the truck will be a portion of your job. Whilst the race is on, you'll possibly be doing something else. When others are going home, you'll be the last to leave having packed everything up before your multi-hour drive home.
I know someone who wanted to work in motorsport hospitality. The realisation that they'd be serving food whilst hearing good racing going on but not being able to see it soon dawned on them. As did working most weekends whilst everyone else they knew wasn't....
Grumfutock said:
Your forgetting polishing the bloody thing all the time as well! Artics are bloody big!
and i bet its proper polishing aswell, kind of what put me off of looking into the f1 work
i went down the music tour work route, and let the gangs at truckwashes in lokeren etc do it for me
i think these days, (and others who have already posted will know for sure) that a fair few f1 teams don't even do the trucking themselves these days, i believe stobarts do a fair bit, in the relevant teams colours.
if i am right, maybe getting some general haulage experience with stobarts could be a good start, and if your keen and good, let them know where you ultimately want to end up career wise, it might just work out in the long run.
even just getting your lgv 1 licence these days is alot more involved, and alot more expensive than it used to be, but if your really that keen go for it. also, getting insurance under 25 can be a bit of an obstacle, but again, where there's a will....
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Take a bit of advice - and I've done this in the past, and trust me, it works.
It's pointless applying to race teams for jobs etc. in the traditional manner. Everyone does that. The competition is huge - and not just for race teams either...that goes for a lot of prospective employers.
You might (probably) not have any particular advantages or qualifications that makes you stand out from the rest. Only the cream get the breaks in Motorsport. So you need to elevate yourself above the crowd.
This involves a bit of nous, savvy, cheek and attitude. It needs to be done carefully and respectfully. However, it also needs to be done a little bit diligently and probably repeatably.
Direct action gets results in this life, if it is done right - always has done.
Draw up a list of the teams that you would be interested / happy to work for. Then do research, research, research on the team. Find out everything you can - from the cars, other staff, results, sponsors, where they test, what they do, and most of all - the key people, the decision makers. Find out their names, where they hang out, what kind of people they are. The internet is a GOLD MINE for this kind of information. I have used it prior to job interviews to impress the Directors with my knowledge of what their company strives to achieve, through to sales where I have got hold of the buyer and sold a solution to them that I know they would be receptive to, just by doing my homework.
Anyway, once you are armed with all this information, decide how and what YOU can offer the team, what your unique skills and experience is, and how you could be a useful and valued addition. Remember, race teams are run like any other business. If you can demonstrate how you might be able to save them the two Holy Grail things - 'Time and Money' - then they are usually receptive enough to at least want to talk some more...providing, like I said, you manage to speak to the right people.
Ok, so you've identified your skill set, and the key people at the team, and how you can sell your skills and above all enthusiasm. Don't forget - this is different for each team / company - so you need to hone a pitch that is applicable and unique to each. A 'one-size-fits-all' approach to procuring employment WILL NOT WORK.
Now for the hard bit - you need to get your FACE in front of them. Forget emails and job applications - you need, at the least, a telephone conversation - but best of all, a face-to-face opportunity. So - what do you do? You get in your car / on your bike / on the train / whatever, and you visit their base. You take a CV with you. You cheekily walk into the premises, preferably through an open door / shutter, and not via reception. You ask around for the main man (the one you've already identified through your homework) and you hope that the chap / people you speak to are caught off-guard enough to say 'er, yeah - he's over there / in that office mate.'
You approach your target, apologise for being such a cheeky bd, but give him your pitch before he's had a chance to realise what's happening.
The same can be done at a race track. Find out where they are racing / testing, it's easy enough. Get in there and doorstep the main man.
Finally, an almost dead cert to get a foot in the door is to offer to volunteer to to anything, ANYTHING, unpaid for the team, so they might appreciate your commitment and conviction. You might be tea boy or gopher for a while, without pay. That's fine - just be ridiculously helpful, keen and enthusiastic if you are lucky enough to be offered such a thing.
Trust me - as someone who has used this trick to great effect once or twice when approaching prospective employers, it works...providing you do it right. Don't take the piss too much or be too bolshy - but do be nice, smile a lot, and convey your enthusiasm. The Directors I have met this way have loved my frank, forthright and unconventional approach - and I would imagine that a team owner, used to dealing with what kind of personality produces a winner, will definitely recognise and appreciate such a motivated mentality.
Give it a go, I dare you. And when you are successful, post back on here and thank me, ok?!
Wow, never thought about being that forward! Thank you!It's pointless applying to race teams for jobs etc. in the traditional manner. Everyone does that. The competition is huge - and not just for race teams either...that goes for a lot of prospective employers.
You might (probably) not have any particular advantages or qualifications that makes you stand out from the rest. Only the cream get the breaks in Motorsport. So you need to elevate yourself above the crowd.
This involves a bit of nous, savvy, cheek and attitude. It needs to be done carefully and respectfully. However, it also needs to be done a little bit diligently and probably repeatably.
Direct action gets results in this life, if it is done right - always has done.
Draw up a list of the teams that you would be interested / happy to work for. Then do research, research, research on the team. Find out everything you can - from the cars, other staff, results, sponsors, where they test, what they do, and most of all - the key people, the decision makers. Find out their names, where they hang out, what kind of people they are. The internet is a GOLD MINE for this kind of information. I have used it prior to job interviews to impress the Directors with my knowledge of what their company strives to achieve, through to sales where I have got hold of the buyer and sold a solution to them that I know they would be receptive to, just by doing my homework.
Anyway, once you are armed with all this information, decide how and what YOU can offer the team, what your unique skills and experience is, and how you could be a useful and valued addition. Remember, race teams are run like any other business. If you can demonstrate how you might be able to save them the two Holy Grail things - 'Time and Money' - then they are usually receptive enough to at least want to talk some more...providing, like I said, you manage to speak to the right people.
Ok, so you've identified your skill set, and the key people at the team, and how you can sell your skills and above all enthusiasm. Don't forget - this is different for each team / company - so you need to hone a pitch that is applicable and unique to each. A 'one-size-fits-all' approach to procuring employment WILL NOT WORK.
Now for the hard bit - you need to get your FACE in front of them. Forget emails and job applications - you need, at the least, a telephone conversation - but best of all, a face-to-face opportunity. So - what do you do? You get in your car / on your bike / on the train / whatever, and you visit their base. You take a CV with you. You cheekily walk into the premises, preferably through an open door / shutter, and not via reception. You ask around for the main man (the one you've already identified through your homework) and you hope that the chap / people you speak to are caught off-guard enough to say 'er, yeah - he's over there / in that office mate.'
You approach your target, apologise for being such a cheeky b
d, but give him your pitch before he's had a chance to realise what's happening.The same can be done at a race track. Find out where they are racing / testing, it's easy enough. Get in there and doorstep the main man.
Finally, an almost dead cert to get a foot in the door is to offer to volunteer to to anything, ANYTHING, unpaid for the team, so they might appreciate your commitment and conviction. You might be tea boy or gopher for a while, without pay. That's fine - just be ridiculously helpful, keen and enthusiastic if you are lucky enough to be offered such a thing.
Trust me - as someone who has used this trick to great effect once or twice when approaching prospective employers, it works...providing you do it right. Don't take the piss too much or be too bolshy - but do be nice, smile a lot, and convey your enthusiasm. The Directors I have met this way have loved my frank, forthright and unconventional approach - and I would imagine that a team owner, used to dealing with what kind of personality produces a winner, will definitely recognise and appreciate such a motivated mentality.
Give it a go, I dare you. And when you are successful, post back on here and thank me, ok?!
I know truckie work isn't the most glamorous work around, and you don't just sit around. My current job is 60+ hours a week, so i know all about hard work and long hours. This is all stuff i have considered when looking in to it, and if anything it has made me want to do it more.
I know they aren't just going to put any old random in a lorry as well! My theory was if I could get in to a team doing any job, prove myself, prove i'm trustworthy, maybe do driving of vans etc, they might be willing to give me chance to work towards being a truckie.
The biggest thing is just getting in to ANY job in team at the moment. I would love to volunteer somewhere, but there just aren't many teams in my area, and i obviously need money to live! I have a list of teams and companies i would want to work for, and i'm just applying for anything I could even half do. Do you guys think I should just keep persevering until they finally think 'he just keeps applying, maybe we should give him a chance?!'
Thanks
joeyj26 said:
The biggest thing is just getting in to ANY job in team at the moment. I would love to volunteer somewhere, but there just aren't many teams in my area, and i obviously need money to live! I have a list of teams and companies i would want to work for, and i'm just applying for anything I could even half do. Do you guys think I should just keep persevering until they finally think 'he just keeps applying, maybe we should give him a chance?!'
Thanks
I know very little about motorsport, but quite a lot about recruiting. A pile of CVs turn up, occasionally the pile is three feet tall, but usually at least a foot of them. I work through, probably only looking at the first few sentences. Anything that puts me off gets a big red NO written on it and it's in the reject pile. The rest I'll have a closer look. But I remember names when they're written down, and if I remember a NO from a previous pile it's also a NO this time, without reading it.Thanks
You probably think that's not fair. Hard luck, life isn't, and all that.
So the rest of the pile gets a better look, or passed on to someone else to have a quick look through, but out of the original one hundred it gets whittled down to five that you want to interview. I don't care if there are twenty excellent candidates when I've only got one position, I don't have time to properly interview them all, so I'll take the five that look most likely.
Unless you've got something that is at the start of a CV that grabs the attention, and enough in the rest of it to make someone think you're better than the hundreds of others that have also applied, then you'd be far better off spending time getting the experience together and onto your CV rather than applying for everything in a scattergun approach.
spikeyhead said:
I know very little about motorsport, but quite a lot about recruiting. A pile of CVs turn up, occasionally the pile is three feet tall, but usually at least a foot of them. I work through, probably only looking at the first few sentences. Anything that puts me off gets a big red NO written on it and it's in the reject pile. The rest I'll have a closer look. But I remember names when they're written down, and if I remember a NO from a previous pile it's also a NO this time, without reading it.
You probably think that's not fair. Hard luck, life isn't, and all that.
So the rest of the pile gets a better look, or passed on to someone else to have a quick look through, but out of the original one hundred it gets whittled down to five that you want to interview. I don't care if there are twenty excellent candidates when I've only got one position, I don't have time to properly interview them all, so I'll take the five that look most likely.
Unless you've got something that is at the start of a CV that grabs the attention, and enough in the rest of it to make someone think you're better than the hundreds of others that have also applied, then you'd be far better off spending time getting the experience together and onto your CV rather than applying for everything in a scattergun approach.
I'm just curious why you think that because you have said 'no' to someone, it automatically becomes a no if they apply again, does it not show a keenness and determination? Does that not count for anything these days? You probably think that's not fair. Hard luck, life isn't, and all that.
So the rest of the pile gets a better look, or passed on to someone else to have a quick look through, but out of the original one hundred it gets whittled down to five that you want to interview. I don't care if there are twenty excellent candidates when I've only got one position, I don't have time to properly interview them all, so I'll take the five that look most likely.
Unless you've got something that is at the start of a CV that grabs the attention, and enough in the rest of it to make someone think you're better than the hundreds of others that have also applied, then you'd be far better off spending time getting the experience together and onto your CV rather than applying for everything in a scattergun approach.
And I'm trying to get experiance, but this is why I'm asking,because nobody will give me the chance to get experiance, it's a catch 22!!!
joeyj26 said:
I'm just curious why you think that because you have said 'no' to someone, it automatically becomes a no if they apply again, does it not show a keenness and determination? Does that not count for anything these days?
And I'm trying to get experiance, but this is why I'm asking,because nobody will give me the chance to get experiance, it's a catch 22!!!
If you're going to apply for a job, make sure that there's a good reason that someone would be willing to pay you a few tens of thousands of pounds. Make it obvious to them why they should. If someone previously hasn't got past the first round of culling, it is very unlikely that they've become suitable for tens of thousands of pounds, and the responsibility of looking after millions of pounds of equipment.And I'm trying to get experiance, but this is why I'm asking,because nobody will give me the chance to get experiance, it's a catch 22!!!
It still isn't fair, but if someone has previously wasted my time applying for something that they are in no way suitable for then that, as far as I'm concerned, is that.
spikeyhead said:
If you're going to apply for a job, make sure that there's a good reason that someone would be willing to pay you a few tens of thousands of pounds. Make it obvious to them why they should. If someone previously hasn't got past the first round of culling, it is very unlikely that they've become suitable for tens of thousands of pounds, and the responsibility of looking after millions of pounds of equipment.
It still isn't fair, but if someone has previously wasted my time applying for something that they are in no way suitable for then that, as far as I'm concerned, is that.
Ok fair enough. Well I don't always apply for the same job, but I always apply for similar stuff, that I know I can do, and can always justify why I can do it in my covering letter and cv.It still isn't fair, but if someone has previously wasted my time applying for something that they are in no way suitable for then that, as far as I'm concerned, is that.
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