Employer wants me to do 5 days a week when I do 4, HELP
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I've been with my employer for 8 years.
For the last 5 years I've been fortunate enough to only have to work 4 days a week. But I still do a full 40 hour working week (so I get paid the same as I did when I did 5 days)
My day off revolves week by week, First week Monday, next week Tuesday, so every 4 weeks a get a Friday then a Monday off, long weekend woo hoo.
Trouble is new working system would benefit from me being there every day (5 days) and I've been told by management new system won't work if I don't start coming in every day. (which isnt entirely true, its certainly workable with me still doing 4 days, just not optimal) I've strongly objected but been told that's what's happening I've got 6 to 8 weeks to prepare myself.
My employment contract doesn't says anything about my hours, it just says refer to term sheet, I have never seen such a thing. But the likely hood is if its dug out by HR it will show my original hours/days from when I started 8 years ago, doing 8 hour days 5 days a week, I don't recall signing anything when I changed from 5 to 4 days,
Can anybody tell me where I stand, can I object / refuse to come in every day. Do I have no choice and have to do what they say as they are the employer and I the employee?
At the moment I'm working on Plan A, to get legal advice kick up a s
t storm and hang on to the hours I like.
Any help with this gratefully received.
However Plan B involves a job offer in my pocket, would quite like to go their but they would barley match my money now, didn't really want to move on unless £3k-5K rise. Sending out C.V's to everyone this weekend hoping something else pops up. This whole thing could be the kick up the rear I need to track down something that pays a bit better. If I have to do 5 days, I can do that anywhere, Once I get the write offer / package together I'm off.
For the last 5 years I've been fortunate enough to only have to work 4 days a week. But I still do a full 40 hour working week (so I get paid the same as I did when I did 5 days)
My day off revolves week by week, First week Monday, next week Tuesday, so every 4 weeks a get a Friday then a Monday off, long weekend woo hoo.
Trouble is new working system would benefit from me being there every day (5 days) and I've been told by management new system won't work if I don't start coming in every day. (which isnt entirely true, its certainly workable with me still doing 4 days, just not optimal) I've strongly objected but been told that's what's happening I've got 6 to 8 weeks to prepare myself.
My employment contract doesn't says anything about my hours, it just says refer to term sheet, I have never seen such a thing. But the likely hood is if its dug out by HR it will show my original hours/days from when I started 8 years ago, doing 8 hour days 5 days a week, I don't recall signing anything when I changed from 5 to 4 days,
Can anybody tell me where I stand, can I object / refuse to come in every day. Do I have no choice and have to do what they say as they are the employer and I the employee?
At the moment I'm working on Plan A, to get legal advice kick up a s
t storm and hang on to the hours I like.Any help with this gratefully received.
However Plan B involves a job offer in my pocket, would quite like to go their but they would barley match my money now, didn't really want to move on unless £3k-5K rise. Sending out C.V's to everyone this weekend hoping something else pops up. This whole thing could be the kick up the rear I need to track down something that pays a bit better. If I have to do 5 days, I can do that anywhere, Once I get the write offer / package together I'm off.
As you don't seem to have anything in writing about working your hours in 4:days it sounds like an informal agreement rather than part of your employment terms. I suspect you will need to accept the change otherwise unless you can persuade them it doesn't impact their perceived better way.
If the 4 day working was in writing you would be in a stronger position.
This isn't legal advice so you need to talk to a specialist so you know where you stand. I would also caution against any rash judgements as companies don't like people trying to hold them to ransom.
If the 4 day working was in writing you would be in a stronger position.
This isn't legal advice so you need to talk to a specialist so you know where you stand. I would also caution against any rash judgements as companies don't like people trying to hold them to ransom.
Thanks for the input.
I certainly won't be handing my notice in until the elsewhere offer / package is enough that I would be taking it anyway.
Just got a good reason / motivation to start discusions with one and looking for other options now.
I must have saved a fortune in child care and commuting the last few years.
I certainly won't be handing my notice in until the elsewhere offer / package is enough that I would be taking it anyway.
Just got a good reason / motivation to start discusions with one and looking for other options now.
I must have saved a fortune in child care and commuting the last few years.
Edited by Tame Technician on Monday 11th August 15:40
If your 4 day week is not specified in your contract, then the company can change your hours with 'reasonable' notice
Most businesses give 4 weeks.
You cannot argue with this or refuse to change. If you do the latter, you will effectively be resigning.
Looks like Mon to Fri for you chap
Most businesses give 4 weeks.
You cannot argue with this or refuse to change. If you do the latter, you will effectively be resigning.
Looks like Mon to Fri for you chap
Muzzer79 said:
If your 4 day week is not specified in your contract, then the company can change your hours with 'reasonable' notice
Most businesses give 4 weeks.
You cannot argue with this or refuse to change. If you do the latter, you will effectively be resigning.
Looks like Mon to Fri for you chap
Most businesses give 4 weeks.
You cannot argue with this or refuse to change. If you do the latter, you will effectively be resigning.
Looks like Mon to Fri for you chap
This. When I worked for HMRC they gave me 4 weeks notice to a complete shift change. Was a nightmare and the union were useless.
Muzzer79 said:
If your 4 day week is not specified in your contract, then the company can change your hours with 'reasonable' notice
Most businesses give 4 weeks.
You cannot argue with this or refuse to change. If you do the latter, you will effectively be resigning.
Looks like Mon to Fri for you chap
Agreed. We changed shift patterns (affecting 180 people) from four day to five day. There is little an individual can do (unless there is a genuine medical reason) to stop this. We gave 12 weeks notice to employees which was generous!Most businesses give 4 weeks.
You cannot argue with this or refuse to change. If you do the latter, you will effectively be resigning.
Looks like Mon to Fri for you chap
Mike
you may want to read this
http://www.workingfamilies.org.uk/articles/parents...
essentially there is some scope under new paternity laws to allow a request to change working hours. This may also come under sex discrimination if the request for the change is to do with child care.
http://www.workingfamilies.org.uk/articles/parents...
essentially there is some scope under new paternity laws to allow a request to change working hours. This may also come under sex discrimination if the request for the change is to do with child care.
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