A new job, what should I get straight?
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Its been about 10 years since I moved employeer, but Potentially I have inerviewed well for a new role, I am still trying to remember everything you should agree to.
I have heard horror stories of people agreeing to new jobs, handing in their notice only to be cancelled at the new role.
Also more trivial things like different people getting different money for the same role, and if not money, differnt holidays and other benefits.
Does this idotic post make sense to anyone?
I have heard horror stories of people agreeing to new jobs, handing in their notice only to be cancelled at the new role.
Also more trivial things like different people getting different money for the same role, and if not money, differnt holidays and other benefits.
Does this idotic post make sense to anyone?
These kinds of questions have been covered a few times, have a good read of this topic going back a few months.
If you are worried that the new job might be cancelled before you start it, then bear in mind that you can be fired for no reason in the first two years of any new job. If they decide they haven't got the budget or that you don't fit in, you are gone!
If you are worried that the new job might be cancelled before you start it, then bear in mind that you can be fired for no reason in the first two years of any new job. If they decide they haven't got the budget or that you don't fit in, you are gone!
Agree to?
Contract in hand, signed, sent back and they acknowledge receipt. Then you can resign your current mob.
Others get paid differently to you for same job? Different benefits, etc? Wtf do you care? Do you get their money/benefits? No - you get yours, so concentrate on what you get and ignore others.
There is nothing complicated about it.
Contract in hand, signed, sent back and they acknowledge receipt. Then you can resign your current mob.
Others get paid differently to you for same job? Different benefits, etc? Wtf do you care? Do you get their money/benefits? No - you get yours, so concentrate on what you get and ignore others.
There is nothing complicated about it.
DJRC said:
Agree to?
Contract in hand, signed, sent back and they acknowledge receipt. Then you can resign your current mob.
Others get paid differently to you for same job? Different benefits, etc? Wtf do you care? Do you get their money/benefits? No - you get yours, so concentrate on what you get and ignore others.
There is nothing complicated about it.
Completely agree. Where I am, salaries are all over the shop. I have direct reports on more than me, and I am on more than some of my managers DRs. Remember the old adage that it's not polite to talk about money. It's very very true.Contract in hand, signed, sent back and they acknowledge receipt. Then you can resign your current mob.
Others get paid differently to you for same job? Different benefits, etc? Wtf do you care? Do you get their money/benefits? No - you get yours, so concentrate on what you get and ignore others.
There is nothing complicated about it.
If you must do it, remember that it will cause unhappiness - either theirs when they find out you are on 60% more than them, or yours when you realise that you are actually a really bad negotiator
DervVW said:
I guess I just wanted to negotiate well!
Go for a salary you would be happy getting, i.e. a good uplift that makes it worth trading security for potential. Try and bake in salary reviews after a defined period, as you almost certainly wont be getting a payrise for the next year or so. DO NOT LIE about your current salary - I find being vague about the difference between salary and package is enough 
Whatever you do, you need to be happy enough in the new role, but don't start comparing apples and bananas - you dont have exactly the same skills and experience as the person you are comparing yourself to, and this is not the Public Sector
DervVW said:
Thanks - sound advice about the salary reviews. That is certianly something I have not thought about.
Just out of intrest, since youve capitalised it. Why would you not lie about your current salary? How would they know?
It's unlikely, but I have heard of employers being daft enough to respond to the reference requests that read "how long, and on how much" with an answer, and that's without the backchannel HR/manager networks. Also, depending on the size of your lie, a 1000L tax code might indicate that you are not currently on the £125K package you suggested Just out of intrest, since youve capitalised it. Why would you not lie about your current salary? How would they know?
DervVW said:
Thanks - sound advice about the salary reviews. That is certianly something I have not thought about.
Just out of intrest, since youve capitalised it. Why would you not lie about your current salary? How would they know?
Payroll have to get yor tax right with HMRC don't they, so when they get your P45 they will know you have been telling porkiesJust out of intrest, since youve capitalised it. Why would you not lie about your current salary? How would they know?
If they are going to employ you for something they haven't got, such as setting up and bossing some system/procedure/plant etc, if long term has been promised ensure they do not have enough info/progress/experience/training to be able to get rid of you before the qualifying redundancy period is reached, an old pal of mine left his long term employment to do just this sort of thing.
He was bumped 2 days before he had enough time in for redundancy payment.
He was bumped 2 days before he had enough time in for redundancy payment.
SLCZ3 said:
If they are going to employ you for something they haven't got, such as setting up and bossing some system/procedure/plant etc, if long term has been promised ensure they do not have enough info/progress/experience/training to be able to get rid of you before the qualifying redundancy period is reached, an old pal of mine left his long term employment to do just this sort of thing.
He was bumped 2 days before he had enough time in for redundancy payment.
ouch - that is a risk...He was bumped 2 days before he had enough time in for redundancy payment.
And I see your point about the lie on wages. See, this is why I asked!
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