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Completing an apprenticeship, NVQ framework with day release to college where I am completing a BTEC.
Quick question: is it reasonable to expect college work to be completed at home, unpaid? Not saying there shouldn't be any, or anything like that, but should any work that needs to be completed for the job be part of the salaried hours?
Just wondering as I procrastinate whilst I complete another essay...
Quick question: is it reasonable to expect college work to be completed at home, unpaid? Not saying there shouldn't be any, or anything like that, but should any work that needs to be completed for the job be part of the salaried hours?
Just wondering as I procrastinate whilst I complete another essay...
Yes it is reasonable - the BTEC may benefit you (getting jobs) for decades into the future. Once you have a basic qualification then most jobs will let you crack on without additional training, so it won't last forever. If you don't think it is reasonable then quit work and do the BTEC 9am to 4pm, possibly paying around £6000 per year for a couple of years. Or get a job that doesn't require any qualification/only requires the qualifications you already possess.
Mr Classic said:
Completing an apprenticeship, NVQ framework with day release to college where I am completing a BTEC.
Quick question: is it reasonable to expect college work to be completed at home, unpaid? Not saying there shouldn't be any, or anything like that, but should any work that needs to be completed for the job be part of the salaried hours?
Just wondering as I procrastinate whilst I complete another essay...
you'll go a long way...Quick question: is it reasonable to expect college work to be completed at home, unpaid? Not saying there shouldn't be any, or anything like that, but should any work that needs to be completed for the job be part of the salaried hours?
Just wondering as I procrastinate whilst I complete another essay...
I was doing a college course part time for three years until last year, as well as working a full time job. Most nights I was faced with at least two to three hours of homework on top of the full time job and the actual hours spent in college. It was a chore and I hated it but it had to be done and I'm better off now for having done it.
In short...shut up and get your homework done.
In short...shut up and get your homework done.
king grateful that your employer is investing in you.Its considered reasonable - and the norm.
The difficulty I see however - is what kind of workload is involved.
My experience of college - is that the amount of work planned for a module tends to be planned in a way that suggests the lecturer FORGETS you've got other subjects to cover as well.
4,500 word essays are set and MARKED as if they were the ONLY thing you had to do.
This quote from one of my lecturers is PARTICULARLY memorable.
"for every hour in lectures you should do 2 hours study"
Sounds reasonable - as does having 24 hours of classes.
But alas - if we are doing 2 hours study for every lecture - with 24 hours of lecture/class time - you then have 24 hours classes PLUS 2 hours study for each of the 24 hours - so that's 24 x 2 = 48 hours study.
So 24 hours classes + 48 hours study = 72 hours.
That's 72 hour weeks for a 12 week semester - yet someone reckons 48 hours is a good limit for a normal weeks work.
Obviously I understand lots of lecturers may not take that view - but the quote above is certainly an interesting insight into the mindset of how a lecturer views things.
Especially as the lecturer who said was actually a pretty fair and reasonable person generally....
Stupid as the question may mean to some - I REALLY cannot blame the OP for pondering on whats reasonable
The difficulty I see however - is what kind of workload is involved.
My experience of college - is that the amount of work planned for a module tends to be planned in a way that suggests the lecturer FORGETS you've got other subjects to cover as well.
4,500 word essays are set and MARKED as if they were the ONLY thing you had to do.
This quote from one of my lecturers is PARTICULARLY memorable.
"for every hour in lectures you should do 2 hours study"
Sounds reasonable - as does having 24 hours of classes.
But alas - if we are doing 2 hours study for every lecture - with 24 hours of lecture/class time - you then have 24 hours classes PLUS 2 hours study for each of the 24 hours - so that's 24 x 2 = 48 hours study.
So 24 hours classes + 48 hours study = 72 hours.
That's 72 hour weeks for a 12 week semester - yet someone reckons 48 hours is a good limit for a normal weeks work.
Obviously I understand lots of lecturers may not take that view - but the quote above is certainly an interesting insight into the mindset of how a lecturer views things.
Especially as the lecturer who said was actually a pretty fair and reasonable person generally....
Stupid as the question may mean to some - I REALLY cannot blame the OP for pondering on whats reasonable
Edited by Sir Fergie on Tuesday 13th January 18:29
Only slightly joking guys, I am lucky to be on this apprenticeship but was making comparisons with other students. Another (nameless) company also has apprentices at the college, however they are 9-5 every day for a year, whereas we are 1 day a week for 2 years. Both have the same work to cover and identical assignments to complete.
Mr Classic said:
Only slightly joking guys, I am lucky to be on this apprenticeship but was making comparisons with other students. Another (nameless) company also has apprentices at the college, however they are 9-5 every day for a year, whereas we are 1 day a week for 2 years. Both have the same work to cover and identical assignments to complete.
Doesn't it stand to reason then that you will have a hell of a lot more work to do outwith that single day? Not being rude but you couldn't possibly hope to cover the same amount of work over two years at one day per week.Mr Classic said:
Completing an apprenticeship, NVQ framework with day release to college where I am completing a BTEC.
Quick question: is it reasonable to expect college work to be completed at home, unpaid? Not saying there shouldn't be any, or anything like that, but should any work that needs to be completed for the job be part of the salaried hours?
Just wondering as I procrastinate whilst I complete another essay...
Ruffnsmov the younger had a 3 year HND to complete in 1 year as part of his Apprenticeship, while away from home, while covering other business related topics and while getting his 'AS' level maths,(joined the scheme before he was 18).Quick question: is it reasonable to expect college work to be completed at home, unpaid? Not saying there shouldn't be any, or anything like that, but should any work that needs to be completed for the job be part of the salaried hours?
Just wondering as I procrastinate whilst I complete another essay...
A vast amount of this course work was completed while not in the 9-5 bubble.
He is now 'on staff'. deciding whether he wants a UK or foreign posting, and looking forward to his pay scale taking him over the £30k mark in the next month or so.
Now you work it out.
Mr Classic said:
Only slightly joking guys, I am lucky to be on this apprenticeship but was making comparisons with other students. Another (nameless) company also has apprentices at the college, however they are 9-5 every day for a year, whereas we are 1 day a week for 2 years. Both have the same work to cover and identical assignments to complete.
how m,uich time are the staff fro mthe other company spending in the lab / workshop in college doing stuff that you are doing in vivo during your working week ... Gassing Station | Jobs & Employment Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff