Working time directive.
Discussion
Good evening chaps.
I wondered if anyone can offer sound (by that I mean very accurate, as opposed to what might be right or wrong morally) advice on the working hours? It is slightly complicated where I work by several factors, so it may be that a pm would be better. I am, of course, happy to put full details here if required then more can read and maybe benefit from any words of wisdom.
I wondered if anyone can offer sound (by that I mean very accurate, as opposed to what might be right or wrong morally) advice on the working hours? It is slightly complicated where I work by several factors, so it may be that a pm would be better. I am, of course, happy to put full details here if required then more can read and maybe benefit from any words of wisdom.
The Directive, which has long ago been implemented in the UK via Regulations, covers far more than just the length of the working week. The rules are fairly complicated, and individual cases on the rules can sometimes be quite complicated too. Therefore you wan't get any useful general guidance about the rules on a car forum without a fairly clear indication of facts and context, and in any event if the matter is at all important there is no substitute for taking real advice from someone qualified and insured to give it.
BTW, businesses large and small have been living with the rules for ages now, and haven't vanished as a result of them. They can be a bit of a pain, but not that much of a pain. If the EU hadn't invented the rules then the UK might have done so anyway, and even if the UK leaves the EU if will probably have to keep some similar rules as a condition of trading with the EU (this applies to EU rules about a lot of things - leaving the EU won't do away with the rules, if we want to trade with Europe).
BTW, businesses large and small have been living with the rules for ages now, and haven't vanished as a result of them. They can be a bit of a pain, but not that much of a pain. If the EU hadn't invented the rules then the UK might have done so anyway, and even if the UK leaves the EU if will probably have to keep some similar rules as a condition of trading with the EU (this applies to EU rules about a lot of things - leaving the EU won't do away with the rules, if we want to trade with Europe).
http://www.hse.gov.uk/contact/faqs/workingtimedire...
Gives a decent overview and may help you work things out.
Gives a decent overview and may help you work things out.
Thank you for the replies, I guess more meat to the bone would be needed.
I work in a place which operates for 24 hours a day Monday to Thursday, and has office staff only on Friday from 08-1500hrs. The office staff work only office hours Monday to Friday.
The shifts for 24 hour operation are 7-7 days and nights. Thursday night shift is 1900-0100. However, for the last couple of months we have been doing an additional 6 hours overtime (which is contracted in, in an "as and when required") on the Thursday night shift.
Now, additionally we are now working Sunday night 1900-0700.
So, our contacted hours are 48 hours day shift and 48 night shift. Obviously we are now doing 48 hours per week as the norm, but 60 hours on a night shift.
Although we are expected to work the Sunday night, there is no indication we will be penalised if we choose not to.
Having already read the link posted above, it says there are some exceptions to the directive, one being 24 hour operations.
MY questions really are;
1-In terms of the law, are we really a 24 hour operation, bearing in mind that not all employees work 24 hours (and those that do, only do so for four days)?
2-Are we in breach of the directive for working over 48 hours?
3-If enough refused to work the Sunday, can we be penalised for that?
I work in a place which operates for 24 hours a day Monday to Thursday, and has office staff only on Friday from 08-1500hrs. The office staff work only office hours Monday to Friday.
The shifts for 24 hour operation are 7-7 days and nights. Thursday night shift is 1900-0100. However, for the last couple of months we have been doing an additional 6 hours overtime (which is contracted in, in an "as and when required") on the Thursday night shift.
Now, additionally we are now working Sunday night 1900-0700.
So, our contacted hours are 48 hours day shift and 48 night shift. Obviously we are now doing 48 hours per week as the norm, but 60 hours on a night shift.
Although we are expected to work the Sunday night, there is no indication we will be penalised if we choose not to.
Having already read the link posted above, it says there are some exceptions to the directive, one being 24 hour operations.
MY questions really are;
1-In terms of the law, are we really a 24 hour operation, bearing in mind that not all employees work 24 hours (and those that do, only do so for four days)?
2-Are we in breach of the directive for working over 48 hours?
3-If enough refused to work the Sunday, can we be penalised for that?
No waiver/opt out signed, by the end of this month the average will be well over 48 hours for the 17 weeks up to then. We have two weeks off for Christmas, could those two weeks (which equate to 90 hours) be used as zero hours to offset the hours worked and bring the average right down?
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