How long should I wait?
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Right chaps, would appreciate some advise please.
Things haven't been going too well at work lately and I do feel a possible redundancy incoming next few months.
A very ideal job as popped up recently which I can fulfil most of the requirements. The only short coming is that I don't have specific industry experience however from talking to the recruiter I was advised her client was told that it's impossible to tick all the boxes.
The conversation went very positive and I was told to send in CV and she will also send information packs. She'd seen my profile on LinkedIn which contains most of what's on my CV. Pay wise its a big step up from what I'm on now however as it's a rather specialised role which fits with what I have experience in.
Anyway CV sent and after few hours had an email saying she will get in touch in a few days. No other communication after that and it's been a week since the closing date of the job advert. It's a while since I have had to job search and first time via recruiter so would appreciate advise if I should contact her or just keep on waiting for a response?
Things haven't been going too well at work lately and I do feel a possible redundancy incoming next few months.
A very ideal job as popped up recently which I can fulfil most of the requirements. The only short coming is that I don't have specific industry experience however from talking to the recruiter I was advised her client was told that it's impossible to tick all the boxes.
The conversation went very positive and I was told to send in CV and she will also send information packs. She'd seen my profile on LinkedIn which contains most of what's on my CV. Pay wise its a big step up from what I'm on now however as it's a rather specialised role which fits with what I have experience in.
Anyway CV sent and after few hours had an email saying she will get in touch in a few days. No other communication after that and it's been a week since the closing date of the job advert. It's a while since I have had to job search and first time via recruiter so would appreciate advise if I should contact her or just keep on waiting for a response?
Sir Bagalot said:
Ahhhh. Recruitment agents.... Nice bunch. Give them a call and ask if their is any news? The worst they can do is say the person you need to speak to is on the phone, take your details saying you'll get them to call, and then you never hear anything again...
Thanks for the advice. Never dealt with recruitment agents before so not sure how should I approach this. Her agency seems like a decent agency although again with no experience of recruitment agents I can't tell. Seems like so many of them around.Not in a very good situation with work so I guess that's why I'm a bit anxious. I will probably wait a few more days and then ping her an email.
This is probably not what you want to hear but lots of recruitment consultants say that no-one ticks every box but clients look for exactly that. Chase them up today but if you haven't heard either it's bad news (don't expect any consultant to come back to you and tell you you are aren't going forward for an interview) or the client hasn't come back to them yet (sometimes they can takes weeks to do so or simply change their mind and decide not to recruit). It can be a very very long journey into a new job at times. My BiL took nearly a year to find one despite being in a growth industry and in a senior position but my neighbour (junior position) got the first job she applied for. If I was looking now I'd avoid recruitment agencies that weren't specialists and apply direct to companies. To 'general' recruitment agents filling roles is just a numbers/commission game.
In my experience, if an employer has an active vacancy that needs filling, and a good looking CV is put forward, they don't tend to hang about getting you in for an interview or a conference call, for obvious reasons.
Human nature dictates two things; people don't always like delivering bad news and employees on commission will spend their time doing things that earn that commission. Some recruiters therefore can be relatively useless at passing a 'no' down the line. It's not all their fault, either- the hiring company don't like spending too much time formulating feedback on potential employees they'll never hire.
There will be exceptions to these, when you find them, they're often the good ones.
Human nature dictates two things; people don't always like delivering bad news and employees on commission will spend their time doing things that earn that commission. Some recruiters therefore can be relatively useless at passing a 'no' down the line. It's not all their fault, either- the hiring company don't like spending too much time formulating feedback on potential employees they'll never hire.
There will be exceptions to these, when you find them, they're often the good ones.
andy-xr said:
Redundancy s great, other than the bit where you have to get another job. Every time I've been made redundant something better has come out of it.
Recruitment agents on the other hand have taken time out of my life that I'll never get back and was completely wasted
So how did you get your jobs?Recruitment agents on the other hand have taken time out of my life that I'll never get back and was completely wasted
Frimley111R said:
So how did you get your jobs?
I cold called companies I'd liked to work for to see what their plans were, putting myself infront of them incase they were thinking of expanding out. I also networked within groups and people I knew to see what they knew of that was aroundUK345 said:
Recruitment agencies are a waste of time. Take them out your job search and apply direct.
Yes that is correct, they all stay in business by never hiring anyone Jesus there are some bitter people on here.
I seem to recall UK345, I offered you some good advice and a chance to send me your CV, which you never took up. Perhaps it isn't the recruiters in your life that are the problem.
OP, just give them a call, tell them you are still interested in the role, but would like to know if the client has your CV, or if they ultimately decided not to put you forward, and any reasons why they didn't think you would make it.
That's great n'all, but there's a huge swathe of agencies who're set up online with limited contact info who really dont want to be bothered by applicants, they just want clients to call. I've found out the hard way, firing off applications to receive something like this back
Thank you for your application.
Your application will be considered and we will be in contact again should we wish to progress your application. If you have not heard from us within 4 weeks then please assume that your application will not have been successful on this occasion.
Your details will be kept on file for a period of 12 months should any other suitable vacancies arise during this time.
Kind regards
That's not exactly dynamic recruiting but that's the level that a lot of agents, in some cases the ones who're advertising the jobs you're after might put out.
It doesnt cut it really to say 'but we get so many applicants....we cant possibly follow up on all of them'
That's kinda the job.
Thank you for your application.
Your application will be considered and we will be in contact again should we wish to progress your application. If you have not heard from us within 4 weeks then please assume that your application will not have been successful on this occasion.
Your details will be kept on file for a period of 12 months should any other suitable vacancies arise during this time.
Kind regards
That's not exactly dynamic recruiting but that's the level that a lot of agents, in some cases the ones who're advertising the jobs you're after might put out.
It doesnt cut it really to say 'but we get so many applicants....we cant possibly follow up on all of them'
That's kinda the job.
andy-xr said:
It doesnt cut it really to say 'but we get so many applicants....we cant possibly follow up on all of them'
That's kinda the job.
I totally agree, I hate auto responders. Like you I also think it is poor form to not reply. It need not be individual feedback. That's kinda the job.
If an agency has had too many responses, then it is probably a poor advert that hasn't set out the criteria.
I was talking to a guy last week who got one of the 'your skills and experience don't match the job requirements etc...' emails. He was so incensed that he went on LinkedIn, found the HR person, made contact and said, diplomatically, that his skills bloody well did meet the job criteria. He got himself an interview! (Wasn't successful but still...)_
Thanks for all the feedback people. I've been lucky enough always been in employment for most of my life so the thought of redundancy without prospect of new job scares me.
Got a call today from recruiter and it looks like I've been selected for first round of interviews. The first one is with the recruitment agency and other 2 with the company. Fingers crossed and all that!
Got a call today from recruiter and it looks like I've been selected for first round of interviews. The first one is with the recruitment agency and other 2 with the company. Fingers crossed and all that!
crazy about cars said:
Interview......The first one is with the recruitment agency
I also think these are a waste of time other than in very specific circumstances. There's nothing that a meeting in person cant crack over Skype video chat with someone who has some interview skills, it's agencies trying to demonstrate value to a client that they vet their candidates, and half the time the agent is miles away so you take time out, book holiday, they ask a heap of standard questions and then you wonder what's going on. I'm not bitter as such, incase anyone's questioning my posts, it's just that it takes a keen eye and ear to interview your agent and figure out if they're worth investing time and effort into
For the OP - I hope that you can nail down the agent as much as possible to get something worthwhile out of them. If it feels right, there's nothing stopping you asking them to call the client while you're there to arrange this interview so you can add it to your diary. If you need help positioning it, ask the agent 'do you think you'd like to put me forward for this role' and if they say yes, follow it up with 'great, I've got a couple of calls to make so I'm going to quickly do those, can you call the client now and arrange an interview. I can do Thursday and the following Tuesday'
Nail them down to doing something there and then and then have them do it, otherwise you'll walk out having taken holiday, waiting, not really sure what the client will think, hoping for them to call, and they might not call back.
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