Working Late and Taxi's
Discussion
Back when I was a student I had a part time job working for BT. If we finished work after a certain time (10pm I think) they would provide a Taxi home.
I always's presumed this was due to a duty of care and not unheard of goodwill from the firm.
Fast forward 20 years and the step-lad has work for the local racecourse, which at this time of years means endless Christmas parties and finishing very late...
Taxi's are not provided - staff are left to get home however they feel like. He's walked the 5 miles in the past...
Now as a young bloke he's not particularly vulnerable, but this treatment also extends to the young ladies, who probably are.
They can't really sort this out themselves, not knowing what time they will be finishing and having no pull with a cab firm....
Views?
I always's presumed this was due to a duty of care and not unheard of goodwill from the firm.
Fast forward 20 years and the step-lad has work for the local racecourse, which at this time of years means endless Christmas parties and finishing very late...
Taxi's are not provided - staff are left to get home however they feel like. He's walked the 5 miles in the past...
Now as a young bloke he's not particularly vulnerable, but this treatment also extends to the young ladies, who probably are.
They can't really sort this out themselves, not knowing what time they will be finishing and having no pull with a cab firm....
Views?
There's no obligation for an employer to cover or arrange travel costs to or from the place of work. It might not seem very fair or chivalrous but where would you draw the line? There are hundreds of job scenarios where travel might be early, late or simply awkward.
I used to work for a security company. On bank holidays and Xmas we used to pick up the security guards by mini bus and drop them and collect them for shift as we knew many didn't have their own cars/relied on public transport/plus we wanted to look out for the company commercially. There was no contractual or statutory right for those workers to enforce this.
I used to work for a security company. On bank holidays and Xmas we used to pick up the security guards by mini bus and drop them and collect them for shift as we knew many didn't have their own cars/relied on public transport/plus we wanted to look out for the company commercially. There was no contractual or statutory right for those workers to enforce this.
Totally dependent on the generosity of the firm in question, get them now (if I can get the expenses passed but not before working in the city)
Hate unions but the BT example was likely a result of union pressure to ensure safety.
It is totally up to the staff to make their own way to and from work - can't they offer a little petrol money to somebody else that works there that also drives/moped?
Hate unions but the BT example was likely a result of union pressure to ensure safety.
It is totally up to the staff to make their own way to and from work - can't they offer a little petrol money to somebody else that works there that also drives/moped?
What are his contracted hours? Finishing at 10pm if your contracted hours are until 5pm is different to finishing at 10pm if your contracted hours are until 9pm. It also depends on the business, the company I work for provide cabs (although I cycle so never use them), but I wouldn't have ever expected the supermarket I worked at in my youth to provide cabs. Also, how are the employees getting to work if they can't get home?
It's evening work... Getting there is relatively simple. Bus etc. It's getting home when there are loads of pissed up people around, no busses and few alternatives in the early hours of the next day.
He always finds a way of getting home... I'm not worried about it.
But I'm surprised he has to... Were it our daughter working there I'd probably be more concerned.
The cost need not be huge - and I suspect those needing it would actually be happy to contribute...
He always finds a way of getting home... I'm not worried about it.
But I'm surprised he has to... Were it our daughter working there I'd probably be more concerned.
The cost need not be huge - and I suspect those needing it would actually be happy to contribute...
surveyor said:
It's evening work... Getting there is relatively simple. Bus etc. It's getting home when there are loads of pissed up people around, no busses and few alternatives in the early hours of the next day.
He always finds a way of getting home... I'm not worried about it.
But I'm surprised he has to... Were it our daughter working there I'd probably be more concerned.
The cost need not be huge - and I suspect those needing it would actually be happy to contribute...
I think you are making a few assumptions based on the current circumstances.He always finds a way of getting home... I'm not worried about it.
But I'm surprised he has to... Were it our daughter working there I'd probably be more concerned.
The cost need not be huge - and I suspect those needing it would actually be happy to contribute...
The reality is nobody has flagged an issue. You are thinking of a situation that doesn't exist yet. That doesn't necessarily mean the company does or doesn't have a response as such, but the assumption seems to be that the company will not be reasonable to listen if an employee has an issue. I suspect if people can be grown ups then perhaps the theoretical vulnerable girl could speak to the line manager about her difficulty in getting home or perhaps she will make some arrangements with her co-workers to share a lift home etc. Funnily enough lift sharing was something plenty of people did when I worked in a pub restaurant whilst at school. The older workers would often give the non drivers a lift home.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:surveyor said:
and I suspect those needing it would actually be happy to contribute...
At the risk of sounding like an ahole, surely all he/she has to do is call a cab?I'm not excited about it. At his age he has various options, including walking. But I do think when they are employing young staff working till early hours they should at least make a basic attempt at making sure they can get home safely - again in particular with the young women...
edc said:
Don't you think that employees and adults should take some of their own responsibility. They know the job, the hours, the season and potential unpredictability. They know their own transport capabilities better than the company.
On general terms yes. If it was 5pm finish etc. then no problem. However firms that are specifically targeting young workers on a minimum wage knowing that the work finishes at a time when it is impossible to get public transport home, I do think they should at least consider ways of making it safer.I have mixed opinions on it tbh.
Playing devil's advocate you could presumably buy him a car, a bike, a moped, or pay for a taxi rather than put the onus on the business.
Where I do agree is that if the hotel has some sort of business tab with the taxi company I'd struggle to see why they couldn't sort some kind of arrangement out where they don't pick up the cost, but could use any leverage they had to get cars quicker as a customer of a particular cab firm etc.
Playing devil's advocate you could presumably buy him a car, a bike, a moped, or pay for a taxi rather than put the onus on the business.
Where I do agree is that if the hotel has some sort of business tab with the taxi company I'd struggle to see why they couldn't sort some kind of arrangement out where they don't pick up the cost, but could use any leverage they had to get cars quicker as a customer of a particular cab firm etc.
surveyor said:
Back when I was a student I had a part time job working for BT. If we finished work after a certain time (10pm I think) they would provide a Taxi home.
I always's presumed this was due to a duty of care and not unheard of goodwill from the firm.
Fast forward 20 years and the step-lad has work for the local racecourse, which at this time of years means endless Christmas parties and finishing very late...
Taxi's are not provided - staff are left to get home however they feel like. He's walked the 5 miles in the past...
Now as a young bloke he's not particularly vulnerable, but this treatment also extends to the young ladies, who probably are.
They can't really sort this out themselves, not knowing what time they will be finishing and having no pull with a cab firm....
Views?
It's a case of supply and demand. If the company can get staff who are prepared to put up with the ball aches for the amount of wages they offer, they won't offer a penny more. If they can't the staff then they'll pay more, simple as that.I always's presumed this was due to a duty of care and not unheard of goodwill from the firm.
Fast forward 20 years and the step-lad has work for the local racecourse, which at this time of years means endless Christmas parties and finishing very late...
Taxi's are not provided - staff are left to get home however they feel like. He's walked the 5 miles in the past...
Now as a young bloke he's not particularly vulnerable, but this treatment also extends to the young ladies, who probably are.
They can't really sort this out themselves, not knowing what time they will be finishing and having no pull with a cab firm....
Views?
Perks/benefits/Spanish practices such as free taxis tend to appear in larger organisations where the distance between "owner" and "perk recipient" is the greatest.
kiethton said:
Totally dependent on the generosity of the firm in question, get them now (if I can get the expenses passed but not before working in the city)
Hate unions but the BT example was likely a result of union pressure to ensure safety.
It is totally up to the staff to make their own way to and from work - can't they offer a little petrol money to somebody else that works there that also drives/moped?
I wonder if the BT thing was rather thanduty of care / safety a hangover from the deep dark past, same as the 'postmen' grades at Parcelforce's national hub get full uniform issued but no other workers in the Hub do ... ( the local depot workers and drivers get uniform becasue they are (literally) customer facing )Hate unions but the BT example was likely a result of union pressure to ensure safety.
It is totally up to the staff to make their own way to and from work - can't they offer a little petrol money to somebody else that works there that also drives/moped?
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