Outsourcing job role - redundancy?
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I'm a CAD/BIM technician currently (in team of 5) and our company are in the process of outsourcing our work to India to save money.
My manager has mentioned that he wants me to move away from modelling / producing drawings and become a model checker and setting up standards/processes.
To be honest I prefer doing the detailed work and I'm not too keen on managing a team in India. Perhaps if there was a decent pay rise but I think they intend on keeping me on the same wage and changing my role.
Could I refuse the change of role and ask for redundancy instead?
My manager has mentioned that he wants me to move away from modelling / producing drawings and become a model checker and setting up standards/processes.
To be honest I prefer doing the detailed work and I'm not too keen on managing a team in India. Perhaps if there was a decent pay rise but I think they intend on keeping me on the same wage and changing my role.
Could I refuse the change of role and ask for redundancy instead?
If your job is being outsourced and you don't fancy being TUPE'd to India, I'd say yes - you are effectively redundant.
The only fly in the ointment would be the definition of "suitable alternative employment"
I think you can still take the new post on a trial basis and if you don't like it can still get your redundancy payments.
Might be worth looking at as it gives you some breathing space to check out alternative jobs.
The only fly in the ointment would be the definition of "suitable alternative employment"
I think you can still take the new post on a trial basis and if you don't like it can still get your redundancy payments.
Might be worth looking at as it gives you some breathing space to check out alternative jobs.
syko89 said:
I'm a CAD/BIM technician currently (in team of 5) and our company are in the process of outsourcing our work to India to save money.
My manager has mentioned that he wants me to move away from modelling / producing drawings and become a model checker and setting up standards/processes.
To be honest I prefer doing the detailed work and I'm not too keen on managing a team in India. Perhaps if there was a decent pay rise but I think they intend on keeping me on the same wage and changing my role.
Could I refuse the change of role and ask for redundancy instead?
Outsourced or off-shored (i.e. still a part of the company?) Similar happened to me and my group- they wanted me to manage the Indian group remotely. Didn't mind doing that, but wasn't counting on the lack of payrise which would have been expected/warranted. Alternative was (generous) redundancy, with gardening leave/pay-off- but it would have been very difficult to get another job for me back then.My manager has mentioned that he wants me to move away from modelling / producing drawings and become a model checker and setting up standards/processes.
To be honest I prefer doing the detailed work and I'm not too keen on managing a team in India. Perhaps if there was a decent pay rise but I think they intend on keeping me on the same wage and changing my role.
Could I refuse the change of role and ask for redundancy instead?
Thanks for the replies. The Indian team are part of the same company so this is off-shored rather than outsourced. The company is a large multidisciplinary consultancy and this seems to be way they are going throughout all units.
Whitan3 - this is pretty much how I feel. I don't really want to take on the extra responsibilities without any pay increase.
The free trail at the new role sounds like a good option - so will give that a try if offered.
Whitan3 - this is pretty much how I feel. I don't really want to take on the extra responsibilities without any pay increase.
The free trail at the new role sounds like a good option - so will give that a try if offered.
The free trial thing is usually an option in a redundancy situation where "suitable alternative employment" has been provided, but if there's no redundancy situation then the trial might not be an option. From what I'm reading it seems that a redundancy situation isn't yet on the table.
Following on from my earlier comments- nothing stopping you taking on this new role and additional responsibility (would also look good on your CV presumably), but there's nothing stopping you from looking at other job opportunities a little more. I'd much rather be looking for a new job whilst still in employment, rather than being unemployed!
syko89 said:
To be honest I prefer doing the detailed work and I'm not too keen on managing a team in India. Perhaps if there was a decent pay rise but I think they intend on keeping me on the same wage and changing my role.
The thing you have to think about is that if the detailed work can easily be offshored, you are going to face this kind of threat over and over again. Unfortunately, you need to keep ahead of the wave of offshoring/outsourcing. This often means moving into roles which involves more management, oversight and governance rather than hands-on.Saying all that you should definitely push for some kind of payrise in order to reflect your added responsibilities.
Thanks for the advice so far. Appreciate that offshoring seems to be the way things are going in the industry so moving into a management / BIM co-ordination role is something I'd be interested in if it keeps me in employment!
Had our meeting with the rest of the CAD team / managers yesterday. We were given a 1 page job description of the new role and asked to take this back and review. It was mentioned that this change will be rolled out on the 1st May. There was no mention of redundancy or changes to salary to reflect the change in role, although I've not had a sit down with my manager personally yet.
I've had a quick look on CAB and found this:
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/work/rights-at-w...
I need to check my contract to see if there are any variation/flexibility clauses. If not, I need to let my employer know if I'm happy to accept the changes or not.
What's the best way to go about this? Write a letter to my manager / HR and mention that I'm happy to take on the new role but would like an increase in salary to reflect the extra responsibility?
Had our meeting with the rest of the CAD team / managers yesterday. We were given a 1 page job description of the new role and asked to take this back and review. It was mentioned that this change will be rolled out on the 1st May. There was no mention of redundancy or changes to salary to reflect the change in role, although I've not had a sit down with my manager personally yet.
I've had a quick look on CAB and found this:
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/work/rights-at-w...
I need to check my contract to see if there are any variation/flexibility clauses. If not, I need to let my employer know if I'm happy to accept the changes or not.
What's the best way to go about this? Write a letter to my manager / HR and mention that I'm happy to take on the new role but would like an increase in salary to reflect the extra responsibility?
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