Should I raise this with HR?
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Usual morning commute was a little different than normal.
I get on the train, sit down next to someone (last seat there), this guy is taking up little more than one seat so I end up crushing my nuts a little so that our thighs aren't touching. I can feel this guy is looking in my direction, maybe looking at me. but I have my headphones on and aren't paying attention to him and I see no reason to. 10minutes pass.
The guy gets off the same stop as me. As I'm walking down he taps me on my shoulder saying 'if you do that again i'll smash your face in'. Confused, I calmly ask him back 'could you tell me what i did?''. he then says 'you sat on me, don't do that again'. he storms off down the stairs looking back at me and yelling something along the lines of... (not sure the exact phrase as my memory is hazy due to reflecting on a slightly traumatic event'
'if i see you do that again ill smash your face in'
'if I see you again ill smash your face in''
'if you sit near me again ill smash your face in''.
he walks up well ahead of me and I walk into work. As I'm coming up to the building i work at I see him standing outside the building i work in, having a smoke. so there's a chance he works at the same place as me.
Now i don't 100% know if he works at my place but that's the usual spot where everyone who does stands.
I get on the train, sit down next to someone (last seat there), this guy is taking up little more than one seat so I end up crushing my nuts a little so that our thighs aren't touching. I can feel this guy is looking in my direction, maybe looking at me. but I have my headphones on and aren't paying attention to him and I see no reason to. 10minutes pass.
The guy gets off the same stop as me. As I'm walking down he taps me on my shoulder saying 'if you do that again i'll smash your face in'. Confused, I calmly ask him back 'could you tell me what i did?''. he then says 'you sat on me, don't do that again'. he storms off down the stairs looking back at me and yelling something along the lines of... (not sure the exact phrase as my memory is hazy due to reflecting on a slightly traumatic event'
'if i see you do that again ill smash your face in'
'if I see you again ill smash your face in''
'if you sit near me again ill smash your face in''.
he walks up well ahead of me and I walk into work. As I'm coming up to the building i work at I see him standing outside the building i work in, having a smoke. so there's a chance he works at the same place as me.
Now i don't 100% know if he works at my place but that's the usual spot where everyone who does stands.
ambuletz said:
Usual morning commute was a little different than normal.
I get on the train, sit down next to someone (last seat there), this guy is taking up little more than one seat so I end up crushing my nuts a little so that our thighs aren't touching. I can feel this guy is looking in my direction, maybe looking at me. but I have my headphones on and aren't paying attention to him and I see no reason to. 10minutes pass.
The guy gets off the same stop as me. As I'm walking down he taps me on my shoulder saying 'if you do that again i'll smash your face in'. Confused, I calmly ask him back 'could you tell me what i did?''. he then says 'you sat on me, don't do that again'. he storms off down the stairs looking back at me and yelling something along the lines of... (not sure the exact phrase as my memory is hazy due to reflecting on a slightly traumatic event'
'if i see you do that again ill smash your face in'
'if I see you again ill smash your face in''
'if you sit near me again ill smash your face in''.
he walks up well ahead of me and I walk into work. As I'm coming up to the building i work at I see him standing outside the building i work in, having a smoke. so there's a chance he works at the same place as me.
Now i don't 100% know if he works at my place but that's the usual spot where everyone who does stands.
Dominate the train!I get on the train, sit down next to someone (last seat there), this guy is taking up little more than one seat so I end up crushing my nuts a little so that our thighs aren't touching. I can feel this guy is looking in my direction, maybe looking at me. but I have my headphones on and aren't paying attention to him and I see no reason to. 10minutes pass.
The guy gets off the same stop as me. As I'm walking down he taps me on my shoulder saying 'if you do that again i'll smash your face in'. Confused, I calmly ask him back 'could you tell me what i did?''. he then says 'you sat on me, don't do that again'. he storms off down the stairs looking back at me and yelling something along the lines of... (not sure the exact phrase as my memory is hazy due to reflecting on a slightly traumatic event'
'if i see you do that again ill smash your face in'
'if I see you again ill smash your face in''
'if you sit near me again ill smash your face in''.
he walks up well ahead of me and I walk into work. As I'm coming up to the building i work at I see him standing outside the building i work in, having a smoke. so there's a chance he works at the same place as me.
Now i don't 100% know if he works at my place but that's the usual spot where everyone who does stands.
Seriously though, no. Definitely don't bother going to HR.
I can completely understand why you're annoyed about it, the guy sounds like a horrible nutter. Speaking to HR will achieve nothing though. Assuming he does work for the same company and they do speak to him, he'll tell the story very differently, or deny it happened altogether. Either way, HR are not going to take action against someone for an 'argument' that happened outside work.
edc said:
Does he work for your employer? Do you know his name? Or do you have his picture? If not what do you expect an HR person to do? If you report it anywhere it should be to the police.
as mentioned, it's highly possible he works for them. but not 100% don't know his name
dont have his picture.
what would i expect HR to do? well they can look at the time i swipped into work, see which people also swipped in around that time find him.
action? they should know, what company wants to employ someone who's going around threatening other people just because they may have unknowlingly touched you on a busy train in rush hour?
I suppose in time i'll probably forget about it. going out for lunch did make me feel a little anxious in the event that i'd bump into him.
i raise the question mainly because if it's something that should be raised perhaps do it quick. then again in afew days I may not care and it may be completely past me.
ambuletz said:
as mentioned, it's highly possible he works for them. but not 100%
don't know his name
dont have his picture.
what would i expect HR to do? well they can look at the time i swipped into work, see which people also swipped in around that time find him.
action? they should know, what company wants to employ someone who's going around threatening other people just because they may have unknowlingly touched you on a busy train in rush hour?
I think you may be a little naive about how an investigation works. With no name or photo to identify tidy the person there is almost nothing to go on. They could interview you and identify the train you were on, they could then approach all the people as you say who swiped in around that time, they could then do a photo line up and get you down to identify the people (some potential issues around this anyway), then as above its one statement against another. You have no witnesses and nobody to corroborate your story. don't know his name
dont have his picture.
what would i expect HR to do? well they can look at the time i swipped into work, see which people also swipped in around that time find him.
action? they should know, what company wants to employ someone who's going around threatening other people just because they may have unknowlingly touched you on a busy train in rush hour?
Call his bluff. Do it again and see what happens. I'll bet he's all mouth and no action. Trains and stations have CCTV, as well as a lot of people so you're well covered even if he just threatens you.
Alternatively, try to forget it and assume you'll probably never see him again. The only positive action of reporting it to HR (once you find out his name) is if he makes a habit of bullying people at/around work and everyone reports it, he will eventually have a bit of a record and it won't help his career prospects. Assuming he works for your company.
Alternatively, try to forget it and assume you'll probably never see him again. The only positive action of reporting it to HR (once you find out his name) is if he makes a habit of bullying people at/around work and everyone reports it, he will eventually have a bit of a record and it won't help his career prospects. Assuming he works for your company.
Should have whipped out your phone and then filmed him, I filmed someone from Oxfam (lanyard round neck) flipping out at a another guy for getting in his personal space on a packed out train as I thought it was going to get violent, didn't do anything with it in the end but if it did escalate the guy would have been out of a job.
If the same happened on a commute by other methods of transport then you could have captured it on dash or helmetcam, perhaps invest in a chestcam and then confront him about it.
Cheap clip on cam here though it's not discrete
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/4geecapture-cam-4g...
If the same happened on a commute by other methods of transport then you could have captured it on dash or helmetcam, perhaps invest in a chestcam and then confront him about it.
Cheap clip on cam here though it's not discrete
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/4geecapture-cam-4g...
untakenname said:
Should have whipped out your phone and then filmed him, I filmed someone from Oxfam (lanyard round neck) flipping out at a another guy for getting in his personal space on a packed out train as I thought it was going to get violent, didn't do anything with it in the end but if it did escalate the guy would have been out of a job.
If the same happened on a commute by other methods of transport then you could have captured it on dash or helmetcam, perhaps invest in a chestcam and then confront him about it.
Cheap clip on cam here though it's not discrete
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/4geecapture-cam-4g...
Walking about with a clip on camera makes you a giant bellend If the same happened on a commute by other methods of transport then you could have captured it on dash or helmetcam, perhaps invest in a chestcam and then confront him about it.
Cheap clip on cam here though it's not discrete
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/4geecapture-cam-4g...
xx99xx said:
Call his bluff. Do it again and see what happens....
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Assuming he works for your company.
unlikely it'll happen who knows. this is the first time in 10 months. ....
Assuming he works for your company.
HTP99 said:
FFS just forget it and get on with your life!
well i've considered that. i suppose ill get over it over time.untakenname said:
Should have whipped out your phone and then filmed him, I filmed someone from Oxfam (lanyard round neck) flipping out at a another guy for getting in his personal space on a packed out train as I thought it was going to get violent, didn't do anything with it in the end but if it did escalate the guy would have been out of a job.
If the same happened on a commute by other methods of transport then you could have captured it on dash or helmetcam, perhaps invest in a chestcam and then confront him about it.
Cheap clip on cam here though it's not discrete
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/4geecapture-cam-4g...
the entire thing happened in about 6-7 seconds. hilarious post nonetheless. i'm sure once he saw me walk into the same building he probably thought 'fIf the same happened on a commute by other methods of transport then you could have captured it on dash or helmetcam, perhaps invest in a chestcam and then confront him about it.
Cheap clip on cam here though it's not discrete
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/4geecapture-cam-4g...
k, we work for the same place'. if I encounter him again I'd hope he feels pretty stupid because all i could think was the guy was seeing red mist.thanks for the replies guys. ill let it go. may request a mod delete the thread as I'd like to forget about it all.
creampuff said:
I'll offer the dissenting opinion here:
I'd walk the building enough times to find out if he works there or not. If he does, I'd find out his name. Then I'd report him to HR. I'd insist he gets interviewed by HR.
You can insist all you want but it doesn't mean it will happen. I'd walk the building enough times to find out if he works there or not. If he does, I'd find out his name. Then I'd report him to HR. I'd insist he gets interviewed by HR.
untakenname said:
Should have whipped out your phone and then filmed him, I filmed someone from Oxfam (lanyard round neck) flipping out at a another guy for getting in his personal space on a packed out train as I thought it was going to get violent, didn't do anything with it in the end but if it did escalate the guy would have been out of a job.
If the same happened on a commute by other methods of transport then you could have captured it on dash or helmetcam, perhaps invest in a chestcam and then confront him about it.
Cheap clip on cam here though it's not discrete
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/4geecapture-cam-4g...
Good grief. Please don't consider doing this.If the same happened on a commute by other methods of transport then you could have captured it on dash or helmetcam, perhaps invest in a chestcam and then confront him about it.
Cheap clip on cam here though it's not discrete
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/4geecapture-cam-4g...
Are you sure you did nothing wrong at all on the train? if so then seek him out and confront him, but do it politely. If it does get nasty then that will be his choice not yours.
If you see him on the train again then make a point of sitting next to him. Again, not to antagonise but to indicate that you refuse to be intimidated. This bothered you enough to post it on a forum you can't let this sort of stuff eat away at you.
Ooh, you could have some fun with this...
Probably does work in same building and starts at the same time as you so chances are you will see him again. Keep an eye out and when you see him, discretely follow him to ascertain what office and desk he works at.
Next day, get in a little early and be sitting at his desk when he comes in with a 'Whatcha going to to about it?' look on your face.
Hilarity ensues... or not, you may actually get your face smashed in but report back so we can judge your performance
Probably does work in same building and starts at the same time as you so chances are you will see him again. Keep an eye out and when you see him, discretely follow him to ascertain what office and desk he works at.
Next day, get in a little early and be sitting at his desk when he comes in with a 'Whatcha going to to about it?' look on your face.
Hilarity ensues... or not, you may actually get your face smashed in but report back so we can judge your performance
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