Prospective employer asking salary questions?!?
Prospective employer asking salary questions?!?
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TeamBigfoot

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163 posts

96 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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Hi all,

A friend has applied for a role with an international employer, in their London office. He has had an e-mail from from their recruitment team asking for a detailed breakdown of his current salary along with salary expectations. My initial advice was to avoid the question, but they've asked very specifically via e-mail so I'm at a dead end.

I'm sensing some king of trap here, what would be the best way to respond? does he run the risk of low balling himself? The role is the next grade up from the one that he's on, so it would be a promotion for him.

Any advice?

thainy77

3,347 posts

221 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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I would give expectations but i'd be very reluctant to give current if i was looking at a pay increase.

I'm not really sure how he could approach this without getting a minimal pay increase at best.

stumpage

2,198 posts

249 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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May as well tell them, if you do get the job they will see it on your P45 anyway.

HoHoHo

15,379 posts

273 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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We always ask about current salaries and various bonuses.

That’s a very good way to establish in a sales role for example if the candidate is telling the truth - if the figures/commission/salary etc. don’t stack up that’s a good way of detecting the good from the bad.

MitchT

17,089 posts

232 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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Very annoying practice - particularly when, as I am, you're doing a job for which you're massively overqualified (as a slightly more attractive alternative to the dole queue) and being paid about two thirds of what you would be if you were doing a job that utilised your full skillset. Share your salary and you get low-balled or judged to be unfit for the job you're applying for.

James_B

12,642 posts

280 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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MitchT said:
Very annoying practice - particularly when, as I am, you're doing a job for which you're massively overqualified (as a slightly more attractive alternative to the dole queue) and being paid about two thirds of what you would be if you were doing a job that utilised your full skillset. Share your salary and you get low-balled or judged to be unfit for the job you're applying for.
That makes no sense. If you are as good as you feel you are then line up two offers and tell them you’ll work for the winning bidder.

edc

9,498 posts

274 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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James_B said:
MitchT said:
Very annoying practice - particularly when, as I am, you're doing a job for which you're massively overqualified (as a slightly more attractive alternative to the dole queue) and being paid about two thirds of what you would be if you were doing a job that utilised your full skillset. Share your salary and you get low-balled or judged to be unfit for the job you're applying for.
That makes no sense. If you are as good as you feel you are then line up two offers and tell them you’ll work for the winning bidder.
On the flip side, if you feel like you are worth more it's your job to convince the prospective employer of your worth. Also while you may be overqualified and you are earning a lower salary as an alternative to being on the dole queue that suggests there weren't many other options or you took it deliberately. It follows somewhat harshly that that salary is what the market values you at at that time.

Rick101

7,147 posts

173 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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Just reply with what you are willing to work for.
Why complicate matters?

mark beavan

131 posts

165 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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It is a very common practice to ask this, and one which needs dealing with carefully if you do not want to cause conflict with a potential new employer.

In the past I have dealt with this by saying something along the lines of "As I'm sure you can understand, my current employer would view that information as highly confidential, and at the moment I cannot tell you. Should you offer me the role, then of course I wouldn't be bound by that confidentiality. What I can say is that I would be expecting a package of......for a role similar to the one we are discussing

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

235 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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mark beavan said:
It is a very common practice to ask this, and one which needs dealing with carefully if you do not want to cause conflict with a potential new employer.

In the past I have dealt with this by saying something along the lines of "As I'm sure you can understand, my current employer would view that information as highly confidential, and at the moment I cannot tell you. Should you offer me the role, then of course I wouldn't be bound by that confidentiality. What I can say is that I would be expecting a package of......for a role similar to the one we are discussing
Any confidentiality you're bound with when employed is very likely to extend afterwards. Your comment would raise alarm bells to me as an employer.

stuthemong

2,512 posts

240 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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I agree written like it was I initially raised an eyebrow, but it's written on his p60 that they'll need when onboarding him to sort his payrole, so it does hang together.

I think it's a nice answer, but would benefit from being worded a little differently to make it clear you value IP/conf of current company even after you leave smile

KingNothing

3,306 posts

176 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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I'd only reply with salary expectations.

rog007

5,821 posts

247 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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Rick101 said:
Just reply with what you are willing to work for.
Why complicate matters?
Agreed.

Remembering the oft cited maxim that one should look to improve one’s packing by about average 20% every time you move, assuming an upwards career trajectory.

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

235 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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stuthe said:
I agree written like it was I initially raised an eyebrow, but it's written on his p60 that they'll need when onboarding him to sort his payrole, so it does hang together.

I think it's a nice answer, but would benefit from being worded a little differently to make it clear you value IP/conf of current company even after you leave smile
P60 figures will exclude any salary sacrifice benefits such as pension. My P60 salary will we significantly below my real salary.

parabolica

6,961 posts

207 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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At a large, international company no-one is going to wait with baited breath to look at a new-hire's P45 or P60 to see if they were telling the truth or not. What someone is currently being paid is largely irrelevant compared to their skills/aptitude to perform the role they are being interviewed for.

Tell them your expectations. If you want to answer the question about current pay, be open and honest. It isn't a crime to go looking for a new job and expect to be paid at least the market rate for the job if you have the skills to do it.

anonymous-user

77 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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Tell them your currently salary and make clear one of the main drivers for leaving is to enhance it.

James_B

12,642 posts

280 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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rog007 said:
Agreed.

Remembering the oft cited maxim that one should look to improve one’s packing by about average 20% every time you move, assuming an upwards career trajectory.
I’m not packing any more now than in my first job. What am I doing wrong?

eliot

11,988 posts

277 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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If a candidate was evavsive if such a question came up (maybe because their interview didnt match the 'ask') then I would move onto the next candidate.
How you interview and present yourself is more important than your current salary. We have all been in jobs where you are worth far more than your employer rates you (until you resign)

Flooble

5,739 posts

123 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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James_B said:
I’m not packing any more now than in my first job. What am I doing wrong?
You didn't reply to the interesting email offering some special pills to help your packing?

Wacky Racer

40,678 posts

270 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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Tell 'em to fk off and mind their own business.