Redundancy Law

[grassisntgreener]

Hi guys,

Troubling times at my employer. They appear to be letting staff go and the jungle drums are drumming that engineers are going to be next.

I've recently had approximately 5k in training spent on me on a high end software system - that is rare and not common in the area I live in, the only sites that have it are the ones my company has control of.

If I am made redundant - would I be responsible for returning the cost of this? My contract states if I leave their employment I would, but doesnt stipulate whether that is my choice or theirs (whether that be dismissal or redundancy).

Could someone help put my mind at ease?

Thanks

[anonymous-user]

You will not have to repay training costs if your departure from the employment is involuntary.

[grassisntgreener]

Breadvan72 said:

You will not have to repay training costs if your departure from the employment is involuntary.

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Thank you very much for the confirmation! Puts my mind at ease that I wont be responsible for the training that I wouldn't use elsewhere should they decide I'm for the chop.

[anonymous-user]

To clarify, I add that, depending on the wording of the contract, you could be called on to repay training costs if dismissed for misconduct, but you could not be compelled to repay if made redundant.

LNYL.

[meatballs]

Afaik I think it's also not possible to hold you to training costs that are directly required to do your job.

[anonymous-user]

meatballs said:

Afaik I think it's also not possible to hold you to training costs that are directly required to do your job.

You are incorrect about that.

[grassisntgreener]

Breadvan72 said:

To clarify, I add that, depending on the wording of the contract, you could be called on to repay training costs if dismissed for misconduct, but you could not be compelled to repay if made redundant.

LNYL.

Not sure I understand what LNYL means but thank you - and I agree. I have no intention of leaving unless its involuntary and in case of being dismissed I'd be arguing it as I'm good at my job

[Countdown]

Breadvan72 said:

meatballs said:

Afaik I think it's also not possible to hold you to training costs that are directly required to do your job.

You are incorrect about that.

Is he?

Some of our staff are required to attend certain training annually in order to do their job. (AFAIK it’s actually a legal requirement). Anyway my understanding is that if your Employer insists you go on XYZ course they cant insist you then pay back the costs of the course if you decide to leave.

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[meatballs]

Countdown said:

Is he?

Some of our staff are required to attend certain training annually in order to do their job. (AFAIK it’s actually a legal requirement). Anyway my understanding is that if your Employer insists you go on XYZ course they cant insist you then pay back the costs of the course if you decide to leave.

I don't know if there is a specific judgement detailing this anywhere. Im generally talking about things like mandatory professional qualifications that you have to renew every X years or you wouldn't be able to deliver the work you are employed to do. Normally the exam fees are a few thousand pounds etc.

Perhaps not "training" per say but certainly considered in most companies training budgets which is why they try and argue for it back. The training up to the qualification if you aren't an experienced hire going through renewal I would consider repayable - legally and morally.

Fortunately if you negotiate when moving jobs the next company are often happy to pay off these training deficits.

[Driver101]

The company I work for has it in the contract that employees have to repay additional training costs, further education and relocation costs if they leave.

If the company has let one of the engineers go they've made it clear there will be no claim for the money.

[ruggedscotty]

Simple solution....

either knock your supervisor out, or have a hissy fit in the office ad break a few computers, or get caught looking up porn.....and get the sack.

[kestral]

grassisntgreener said:

Hi guys,

Troubling times at my employer. They appear to be letting staff go and the jungle drums are drumming that engineers are going to be next.

I've recently had approximately 5k in training spent on me on a high end software system - that is rare and not common in the area I live in, the only sites that have it are the ones my company has control of.

If I am made redundant - would I be responsible for returning the cost of this? My contract states if I leave their employment I would, but doesnt stipulate whether that is my choice or theirs (whether that be dismissal or redundancy).

Could someone help put my mind at ease?

Thanks

It just means if you make the desison to leave after they have trained you. Not if they make you redundant.