enforced unpaid leave
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Can a company enforce blanket unpaid leave, and under what circumstances?
Company has nearly 4k employees, CEO has told everyone that it will be enforced and applies to all employees [company has US HQ, but global offices]. I thought local contract and employment law would take precedence?
Company has nearly 4k employees, CEO has told everyone that it will be enforced and applies to all employees [company has US HQ, but global offices]. I thought local contract and employment law would take precedence?
shirt said:
Can a company enforce blanket unpaid leave, and under what circumstances?
Company has nearly 4k employees, CEO has told everyone that it will be enforced and applies to all employees [company has US HQ, but global offices]. I thought local contract and employment law would take precedence?
It will. The CEO doesn’t seem to know this. If you are unable to work from home and you are capable of work but your site closes then AFAIK (and I am most definitely NAL) then you should be paid. At least in the UK.Company has nearly 4k employees, CEO has told everyone that it will be enforced and applies to all employees [company has US HQ, but global offices]. I thought local contract and employment law would take precedence?
MissChief said:
It will. The CEO doesn’t seem to know this. If you are unable to work from home and you are capable of work but your site closes then AFAIK (and I am most definitely NAL) then you should be paid. At least in the UK.
Lay-offs and short-time working are legal if included in your contract.https://www.gov.uk/lay-offs-short-timeworking
Our US based company has this in N America, called "furlough" over there, in essence in times when the company has figures to meet and/or times of low production they can tell everyone they're having a nice holiday of a week or two unpaid thus massively reducing the wage bill. If you don't like it then tough, find another job
Nothing in our contracts about being forced to take unpaid leave and I'm not sure we'd ever agree to it. During the last spell they flew over one of the executives to ask us all nicely that if we did want it week of unpaid leave that would help them all massively but it's entirely optional. A few took them up on it at the time as sometimes the time off is worth more than the financial loss. I couldn't afford it at the time so didn't. At the moment though I am effectively buying an extra week of holiday off them by taking a week off unpaid under the parental leave scheme.
Nothing in our contracts about being forced to take unpaid leave and I'm not sure we'd ever agree to it. During the last spell they flew over one of the executives to ask us all nicely that if we did want it week of unpaid leave that would help them all massively but it's entirely optional. A few took them up on it at the time as sometimes the time off is worth more than the financial loss. I couldn't afford it at the time so didn't. At the moment though I am effectively buying an extra week of holiday off them by taking a week off unpaid under the parental leave scheme.
As others have said, no they can't do that u less your contract says they can
US companies rarely understand international employment laws.
My US boss decided he hated me so fired me on the spot, unaware he couldn't do that with impunity. He was absolutely beside himself when he found out he had to pay me 6 month's notice plus outstanding bonuses.
Because he continued to insist he was right he also didn't understand compromise agreements so didn't put any restrictions on me during my 6 month gardening leave, so I walked into a contract 2 weeks later, so was effective paid double for 6 month's.
I may have emailed him and told him :-)
US companies rarely understand international employment laws.
My US boss decided he hated me so fired me on the spot, unaware he couldn't do that with impunity. He was absolutely beside himself when he found out he had to pay me 6 month's notice plus outstanding bonuses.
Because he continued to insist he was right he also didn't understand compromise agreements so didn't put any restrictions on me during my 6 month gardening leave, so I walked into a contract 2 weeks later, so was effective paid double for 6 month's.
I may have emailed him and told him :-)
55palfers said:
What is the situation regarding any possible State Benefit entitlement during unpaid leave?
Let’s hope something is done. I’ll be out of a job by the end of the week. I work on aircraft maintenance so I won’t be picking up another job quickly. Speaking around the airport it seems many people are going on unpaid leave or just laid off from their contracts. The airport is like a ghost town. The hotels are near empty, private hire/taxis not used, local restaurants empty. This has huge implications. Saleen836 said:
I heard on the radio driving home that Virgin Airlines have asked their employees to take 8 weeks unpaid leave due to flights being cancelled etc, i very much doubt many of them have the funds to survive that long before getting into debt.
We've already had a couple of Virgin employees on our local FB page looking for any work.MissChief said:
shirt said:
Can a company enforce blanket unpaid leave, and under what circumstances?
Company has nearly 4k employees, CEO has told everyone that it will be enforced and applies to all employees [company has US HQ, but global offices]. I thought local contract and employment law would take precedence?
It will. The CEO doesn’t seem to know this. If you are unable to work from home and you are capable of work but your site closes then AFAIK (and I am most definitely NAL) then you should be paid. At least in the UK.Company has nearly 4k employees, CEO has told everyone that it will be enforced and applies to all employees [company has US HQ, but global offices]. I thought local contract and employment law would take precedence?
All well and good but the company in question doesn’t seem outwardly affected by covid. Share price in line with 12mth average, news stories showing only recent big contract announcements. I get the impression they’re capitalizing on the situation.
What concerns me is that if you elect to take unpaid leave, there’s no guarantee that you avoid redundancy later on. Also if made redundant would they pay the unpaid leave period?
It’s been increased from 2 to 4 weeks already.
What concerns me is that if you elect to take unpaid leave, there’s no guarantee that you avoid redundancy later on. Also if made redundant would they pay the unpaid leave period?
It’s been increased from 2 to 4 weeks already.
Saleen836 said:
I heard on the radio driving home that Virgin Airlines have asked their employees to take 8 weeks unpaid leave due to flights being cancelled etc, i very much doubt many of them have the funds to survive that long before getting into debt.
If only they were owned by a billionaire....Whatsmyname said:
Is the leave not spread out over a few weeks and also guarantees no redundancies? Also won't Delta have had a say in it?
8 weeks in 3 months to be spread out over 6 months pay so just under a third effectively.They’re offering VR as well I believe, I’m guessing some of the older guys will jump ship. Fingers crossed it’s enough for them
Jamesgt said:
55palfers said:
What is the situation regarding any possible State Benefit entitlement during unpaid leave?
Let’s hope something is done. I’ll be out of a job by the end of the week. I work on aircraft maintenance so I won’t be picking up another job quickly. how about this......
Fellow Colleague booked annual leave last week, to work another job for the week (at the races in Cheltenham), The weekend just gone, work tell person not to come in this week incase if said person did catch anything, they wont infect our small workforce of 30 people.
Said person cannot WFH, would you expect said person to be fully paid?? i believe HR have taken toil off said employee to cover the week they are off.
Fellow Colleague booked annual leave last week, to work another job for the week (at the races in Cheltenham), The weekend just gone, work tell person not to come in this week incase if said person did catch anything, they wont infect our small workforce of 30 people.
Said person cannot WFH, would you expect said person to be fully paid?? i believe HR have taken toil off said employee to cover the week they are off.
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