Furloughed staff with critically vulnerable family members.

[gooner1]

As above how does anyone living with a certified critically vulnerable member of their family,
having already been granted furlough because of this, stand after getting a phone call this morning
from their manager insisting that they must return to work this Friday.
TIA.

[Foliage]

Escalate it to your managers boss and HR. Ask for it in writing, also ask for a copy of the social distancing plan and risk assessment.

[untakenname]

Would speak to the manger first and express your concerns, wouldn't go in all gun blazing taking it higher up unless you're indispensable to the company.

[gooner1]

untakenname said:

Would speak to the manger first and express your concerns, wouldn't go in all gun blazing taking it higher up unless you're indispensable to the company.

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They have done the above and it seems the CEOs of the company concerned instructed all store
managers to ring furloughed staff in an attempt to force as many as possible back to work.
And it appears the regional store managers didn't have the minerals to question the CEO's instructions. The store manager has now rescinded the return to work order. For now.
Utter scum imo.
Thanks for all the responses.

[G_Morto]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidanc...

The official guidance just now states that people who live with ‘shielded’ people are not required to follow the same advice but instead should follow the personal hygiene and social distancing advice as they go about their business.

PCS aren’t happy about it... https://www.pcs.org.uk/department-for-work-and-pen...

[Countdown]

Foliage said:

Escalate it to your managers boss and HR. Ask for it in writing, also ask for a copy of the social distancing plan and risk assessment.

What should OP do if they say "No. If you're not in on Monday we'll put you on zero pay"?

Devil's advocate - how many Employees are going to be happy about going to work full time for 100% pay if they can get 80% for being furloughed? So people are going to argue that "they" shouldn't because XYZ. In the meantime the Employer still has fixed costs to cover, burning through their cash pile and debts accumulating (not to mention the knock-on effect it has further along the supply chain)

[smashing]

Countdown said:

What should OP do if they say "No. If you're not in on Monday we'll put you on zero pay"?

Devil's advocate - how many Employees are going to be happy about going to work full time for 100% pay if they can get 80% for being furloughed? So people are going to argue that "they" shouldn't because XYZ. In the meantime the Employer still has fixed costs to cover, burning through their cash pile and debts accumulating (not to mention the knock-on effect it has further along the supply chain)

See I am wondering why, with all the empty BnB/Hotels around that some of the magic money tree hasn't been spent on getting people like the OP set up there so they can continue to work whilst isolating and protecting the vulnerable.

[Jasandjules]

Countdown said:

What should OP do if they say "No. If you're not in on Monday we'll put you on zero pay"?

Make a decision as to whether they wish to go in or risk the outcome. Or resign and see if an ET agrees it is a Constructive Dismissal event...

[gooner1]

Jasandjules said:

Countdown said:

What should OP do if they say "No. If you're not in on Monday we'll put you on zero pay"?

Make a decision as to whether they wish to go in or risk the outcome. Or resign and see if an ET agrees it is a Constructive Dismissal event...

The OP happens to be very happily retired.

The person in question was specifically furloughed for the reasons given in my first post.
His HR department have since been in touch and told him he should never had the phone call rescinding his furlough status and have apologised profusely for the "mistake".
He had already decided that going back at the present time was not an option he was prepared
to risk, but happily there is now no need to travel that particular road.

Me, I'd just like to meet the arse of a allegedly new CEO who apparently thinks it's fine to mess with people's minds and welfare.

[MickC]

gooner1 said:

The person in question was specifically furloughed for the reasons given in my first post.
His HR department have since been in touch and told him he should never had the phone call rescinding his furlough status and have apologised profusely for the "mistake", and added him to the list of people to make redundant as soon as furlough is over.
He had already decided that going back at the present time was not an option he was prepared
to risk, but happily there is now no need to travel that particular road.

Fixed that for you But seriously i guess he needs to look for another job. That's not right or fair, but its the way it is i think.

[Pegscratch]

gooner1 said:

Me, I'd just like to meet the arse of a allegedly new CEO who apparently thinks it's fine to mess with people's minds and welfare.

And $100 says you'd sit there in the corner, keyboard warriorism left at the door, because what you have is the half a story that someone who wants your view has given you and not the necessary pieces to go with it, whether it was poor interpretation at one of the many (many!) levels between CEO and shop staff or whether it was lost in translation by the recipient who decided it was an issue after the phone had been put down. That fact would dawn on you before you even walked through the door and you'd be mild as a watered-down korma when you spoke.

There are thousands of furloughed staff itching to get back to work, some don't even care about having adjustments made in any meaningful amount; they just want their full pay back and something to do in place of the endless days of sitting on their arse waiting for something interesting to happen. I'd wager they were asked to go fishing for those rather than bullying someone into work, but I'm going on instinct rather than a twisted half of a story. From someone who has made it plain to you (or you've decided yourself) that they're in a st company long before all of this started by the looks of your responses...

Edited by Pegscratch on Thursday 21st May 13:12

[gooner1]

Pegscratch said:

And $100 says you'd sit there in the corner, keyboard warriorism left at the door, because what you have is the half a story that someone who wants your view has given you and not the necessary pieces to go with it, whether it was poor interpretation at one of the many (many!) levels between CEO and shop staff or whether it was lost in translation by the recipient who decided it was an issue after the phone had been put down. That fact would dawn on you before you even walked through the door and you'd be mild as a watered-down korma when you spoke.

There are thousands of furloughed staff itching to get back to work, some don't even care about having adjustments made in any meaningful amount; they just want their full pay back and something to do in place of the endless days of sitting on their arse waiting for something interesting to happen. I'd wager they were asked to go fishing for those rather than bullying someone into work, but I'm going on instinct rather than a twisted half of a story. From someone who has made it plain to you (or you've decided yourself) that they're in a st company long before all of this started by the looks of your responses...

Edited by Pegscratch on Thursday 21st May 13:12

There is one tiny grain of truth in your post Pegs, the furloughed recipient of the the phone calls is
indeed itching to return to work, just not at any price.

Thanks for giving the POV from a CEO's perspective though.
Completely inaccurate, but hey I'm confident nobody involved in this matter gives a flying fk
that it upsets you so much.