Careers to change to after Covid
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I can't help with what careers will be sought after, trying to figure it out myself!
I'm a manufacturing engineer but always been interesting in coding so i've started learning Python online. Using a website called Udemy which seems ok so far.
I was looking at web development too but decided on coding initially. I may go back to it later on. Was planning on using freecodecamp.org to learn HTML, CSS and JAVA.
I'm a manufacturing engineer but always been interesting in coding so i've started learning Python online. Using a website called Udemy which seems ok so far.
I was looking at web development too but decided on coding initially. I may go back to it later on. Was planning on using freecodecamp.org to learn HTML, CSS and JAVA.
fiatpower said:
I can't help with what careers will be sought after, trying to figure it out myself!
I'm a manufacturing engineer but always been interesting in coding so i've started learning Python online. Using a website called Udemy which seems ok so far.
I was looking at web development too but decided on coding initially. I may go back to it later on. Was planning on using freecodecamp.org to learn HTML, CSS and JAVA.
Is that the Python Bootcamp that you’re doing? How are you getting on with it? I’ve bought the course but am working through the Web Developer Bootcamp first.I'm a manufacturing engineer but always been interesting in coding so i've started learning Python online. Using a website called Udemy which seems ok so far.
I was looking at web development too but decided on coding initially. I may go back to it later on. Was planning on using freecodecamp.org to learn HTML, CSS and JAVA.
ben_h100 said:
Is that the Python Bootcamp that you’re doing? How are you getting on with it? I’ve bought the course but am working through the Web Developer Bootcamp first.
I went with the "Python For Beginners Course" as it is longer and has just as many good reviews. Enjoying it so far, starting to get the hang of it. Been making my own simple programs as I go to reinforce what they've taught me.What are you learning in the web developer course?
"Anything that can be learnt from home of can be done working from home can be outsourced" was my bosses response to Fridays team brief about how deep the end of furlough redundancies are going to be in our company.
UK arm holding up OK (probably only 20-30% staff reduction) but American arm, 90% of staff spunking money up the wall like there was a picture of Linda Lusadi nude on it and we poor UK cousins are going to take the cashflow pain in terms of our jobs are going to India and the Phillipines. (We'll see what our regulator has to say about that - ha-ha).
UK arm holding up OK (probably only 20-30% staff reduction) but American arm, 90% of staff spunking money up the wall like there was a picture of Linda Lusadi nude on it and we poor UK cousins are going to take the cashflow pain in terms of our jobs are going to India and the Phillipines. (We'll see what our regulator has to say about that - ha-ha).
StanleyT said:
"Anything that can be learnt from home of can be done working from home can be outsourced" was my bosses response to Fridays team brief about how deep the end of furlough redundancies are going to be in our company.
UK arm holding up OK (probably only 20-30% staff reduction) but American arm, 90% of staff spunking money up the wall like there was a picture of Linda Lusadi nude on it and we poor UK cousins are going to take the cashflow pain in terms of our jobs are going to India and the Phillipines. (We'll see what our regulator has to say about that - ha-ha).
Your boss sounds like a UK arm holding up OK (probably only 20-30% staff reduction) but American arm, 90% of staff spunking money up the wall like there was a picture of Linda Lusadi nude on it and we poor UK cousins are going to take the cashflow pain in terms of our jobs are going to India and the Phillipines. (We'll see what our regulator has to say about that - ha-ha).
. Commiserations.
LHRFlightman said:
StanleyT said:
"Anything that can be learnt from home of can be done working from home can be outsourced" was my bosses response to Fridays team brief about how deep the end of furlough redundancies are going to be in our company.
UK arm holding up OK (probably only 20-30% staff reduction) but American arm, 90% of staff spunking money up the wall like there was a picture of Linda Lusadi nude on it and we poor UK cousins are going to take the cashflow pain in terms of our jobs are going to India and the Phillipines. (We'll see what our regulator has to say about that - ha-ha).
Your boss sounds like a UK arm holding up OK (probably only 20-30% staff reduction) but American arm, 90% of staff spunking money up the wall like there was a picture of Linda Lusadi nude on it and we poor UK cousins are going to take the cashflow pain in terms of our jobs are going to India and the Phillipines. (We'll see what our regulator has to say about that - ha-ha).
. Commiserations.
Some people really don't seem to notice that companies often only have enough cash for a 100 days or so. Yep. Pay the workers wages. At our place workers wages are less than 40% cost. The other 60% hits us whether we work or produce or not. That drains money quick. We're a multi billion turnover company and have used 75% of our cash resource globally in 3 months. It won't be the staff we can't pay. it'll be the material suppliers. The infrastructure providers. The facilities management. The utilities. Sub-contractors. On of our competitards is up and running and our supply chain is demanding upfront from us or beat their terms! The local "payment quirks" in nations where 'mates rates and baggins turn' still happens.
I'm future proofing myself in some very unique UK systems learning about the kit weight hundreds or thousands of tonnes for so not ideal for home working!!!! But I'm not daft enough to increase the talent pool by saying what they are!
The OP asked what career changes there may be to change to after Covid......so I should be more explicit and say not MDAX/Microsoft Dynamics, Payroll, HR, Java/NET, Siemens or Allan Bradley plcs, Hysys, MOVEX, EDQM, OLGA, Autodesk, Planning Applications, Hydrogeology or Geology unless you are a Field Tech, based on what we have already decided to move abroad.
Edited by StanleyT on Saturday 30th May 19:19
Interesting and useful advice.
I can certainly see the logic that any job which can be done from home can be done from anywhere. So why pay ~£20 per hour for a UK worker when you can pay ~£5 per hour for someone in Manila. I think someone once said that the top 10% in any profession will always have work from companies who need that extra bit of skill, while anyone who is merely mediocre is always going to be at risk.
However, if you are in the UK, how do you protect yourself? Logically the kit you refer to (oil and gas) isn't in the UK anyway - at best it will be offshore but likely it will be wherever the oil is?
Other job that can't be done from home such as manufacturing can be outsourced by moving the entire factory abroad.
So it probably comes down to jobs that have to be done here. Are we likely to become a society where the ultra-rich are waited on by the rest, a distorted version of the economists "taking in each others' washing" scenario?
For the guys learning programming while on furlough, I would point out that the initial language isn't that important. Learn algorithms and patterns which are applicable to any language. E.g. a copy of Knuth - learn how to implement all the algorithms he details. When you apply for jobs you will always find there is framework-of-the-month that companies require you to know, so if you haven't learnt it your are out of luck. Hence you will need to be able to quickly (within a week) become an expert in something you have never seen before - to do that you will need a solid foundation so you recognise how the latest fad has implemented the same old things that are always needed.
IT guys are always reinventing the wheel, the trick is recognising that the round thing in the latest platform is still a wheel ...
I can certainly see the logic that any job which can be done from home can be done from anywhere. So why pay ~£20 per hour for a UK worker when you can pay ~£5 per hour for someone in Manila. I think someone once said that the top 10% in any profession will always have work from companies who need that extra bit of skill, while anyone who is merely mediocre is always going to be at risk.
However, if you are in the UK, how do you protect yourself? Logically the kit you refer to (oil and gas) isn't in the UK anyway - at best it will be offshore but likely it will be wherever the oil is?
Other job that can't be done from home such as manufacturing can be outsourced by moving the entire factory abroad.
So it probably comes down to jobs that have to be done here. Are we likely to become a society where the ultra-rich are waited on by the rest, a distorted version of the economists "taking in each others' washing" scenario?
For the guys learning programming while on furlough, I would point out that the initial language isn't that important. Learn algorithms and patterns which are applicable to any language. E.g. a copy of Knuth - learn how to implement all the algorithms he details. When you apply for jobs you will always find there is framework-of-the-month that companies require you to know, so if you haven't learnt it your are out of luck. Hence you will need to be able to quickly (within a week) become an expert in something you have never seen before - to do that you will need a solid foundation so you recognise how the latest fad has implemented the same old things that are always needed.
IT guys are always reinventing the wheel, the trick is recognising that the round thing in the latest platform is still a wheel ...
I can see a big move towards online retail (so no more highstreet), upscaling automation (warehouse jobs to go), logistics could also be affected (fewer drivers), the way universities take students (think more OU style, rental properties impacted etc?) and the key one... hospitality and tourism (everything from cafes, restaurants, nightclubs to holiday companies). Obviously this is pure speculation and we could see a V shaped recovery as soon as a vacine comes out...
I think there’s a balance to be struck here when thinking about offshoring and outsourcing.
It’s not a simple binary issue.
An example is call centres.
An old employer outsourced all theirs to India. Tacit knowledge and UK dialects and idiom didn’t fall into their consideration. Why would someone in India know what an immersion heater is in an insurance claim call? The company spent 10 years trying in vain to get outsourced centres up to scratch. Customer satisfaction never reached previous levels.
Intangibles don’t fit into spreadsheets.
I’ve read some uk call centres are now using home workers who have greater productivity and satisfaction and lower churn.
My point is the long term effects of change aren’t always obvious.
It may be possible to halve your labour costs by outsourcing. If you are measured and remunerated on that alone in the short term, hooray. Long term however other costs will inevitably come to bear.
It’s not a simple binary issue.
An example is call centres.
An old employer outsourced all theirs to India. Tacit knowledge and UK dialects and idiom didn’t fall into their consideration. Why would someone in India know what an immersion heater is in an insurance claim call? The company spent 10 years trying in vain to get outsourced centres up to scratch. Customer satisfaction never reached previous levels.
Intangibles don’t fit into spreadsheets.
I’ve read some uk call centres are now using home workers who have greater productivity and satisfaction and lower churn.
My point is the long term effects of change aren’t always obvious.
It may be possible to halve your labour costs by outsourcing. If you are measured and remunerated on that alone in the short term, hooray. Long term however other costs will inevitably come to bear.
Edited by brightmotiv on Sunday 31st May 11:01
fiatpower said:
I can't help with what careers will be sought after, trying to figure it out myself!
I'm a manufacturing engineer but always been interesting in coding so i've started learning Python online. Using a website called Udemy which seems ok so far.
I was looking at web development too but decided on coding initially. I may go back to it later on. Was planning on using freecodecamp.org to learn HTML, CSS and JAVA.
I'm a manufacturing engineer. Spent the last 11 years contracting in Aerospace. The last week or so I had a stark realisation that to survive long term, I'm going to have to.do.sonething very different. I'm a manufacturing engineer but always been interesting in coding so i've started learning Python online. Using a website called Udemy which seems ok so far.
I was looking at web development too but decided on coding initially. I may go back to it later on. Was planning on using freecodecamp.org to learn HTML, CSS and JAVA.
donnie85 said:
What Careers do people think will still be in demand after Covid and where you can get the skills required for the role online?
Not career but industries is an interesting subject Obviously needed
Water industry
Gas industry
Electric industry
Phone industry
Food industry
Ones I kinda have a gut feeling for
Bicycle industry ( I’ve seen loads cycling during all this and wonder if people will get more into it, plus government want to push).
Ones not sure about
Car sales
Public transport
All inclusive trips to wuhan
Flooble said:
For the guys learning programming while on furlough, I would point out that the initial language isn't that important. Learn algorithms and patterns which are applicable to any language. E.g. a copy of Knuth - learn how to implement all the algorithms he details.
Good exercise to expand your academic knowledge, but a colossal waste of time for the vast majority of programming jobs.I work in a machine shop, so I've seen plenty of companies lose work over the years.
I remember what a director at another machine shop said to me many years ago. "Anything you can fit into the palm of your hand can be shipped easily and cheaply". I.e there is no point making stuff they can make aboard, that they can easily stick on a ship cheaply.
Anything they can outsource, they will. I often think I lot of IT jobs will go in time. If you can get someone in India for example to write you a program, he can just email it over to the customer here.
We went down machining one off and small batch big stuff, where the shipping costs and time go against them. For example if you wanted a 5 day shipment from China on a one ton part you'll be looking at a £2k shipping bill. We can make a part, stick it in our own pickup and deliver it to you that night.
You just need to keep adapting to keep going.
I remember what a director at another machine shop said to me many years ago. "Anything you can fit into the palm of your hand can be shipped easily and cheaply". I.e there is no point making stuff they can make aboard, that they can easily stick on a ship cheaply.
Anything they can outsource, they will. I often think I lot of IT jobs will go in time. If you can get someone in India for example to write you a program, he can just email it over to the customer here.
We went down machining one off and small batch big stuff, where the shipping costs and time go against them. For example if you wanted a 5 day shipment from China on a one ton part you'll be looking at a £2k shipping bill. We can make a part, stick it in our own pickup and deliver it to you that night.
You just need to keep adapting to keep going.
Edited by Noesph on Monday 1st June 18:22
Olivera said:
Good exercise to expand your academic knowledge, but a colossal waste of time for the vast majority of programming jobs.
Maybe, but you need to get the job in the first place and there are still many interview processes that will ask you to code a linked list, sort something or reverse a string.drmike37 said:
If you’ve got good a levels and six years to spare, doctoring is pretty high demand right now.
Medicine is a pretty safe bet. Policing would be another option, there’ll be no shortage of customers for them when we’re all unemployed.Health and safety walts must be doing ok out of this?
Noesph said:
I work in a machine shop, so I've seen plenty of companies lose work over the years.
I remember what a director at another machine shop said to me many years ago. "Anything you can fit into the palm of your hand can be shipped easily and cheaply". I.e there is no point making stuff they can make aboard, that they can easily stick on a ship cheaply.
Anything they can outsource, they will. I often think I lot of IT jobs will go in time. If you can get someone in India for example to write you a program, he can just email it over to the customer here.
We went down machining one off and small batch big stuff, where the shipping costs and time go against them. For example if you wanted a 5 day shipment from China on a one ton part you'll be looking at a £2k shipping bill. We can make a part, stick it in our own pickup and deliver it to you that night.
You just need to keep adapting to keep going.
Outsourcing Programming to India didn’t work out too great for Boeing. I remember what a director at another machine shop said to me many years ago. "Anything you can fit into the palm of your hand can be shipped easily and cheaply". I.e there is no point making stuff they can make aboard, that they can easily stick on a ship cheaply.
Anything they can outsource, they will. I often think I lot of IT jobs will go in time. If you can get someone in India for example to write you a program, he can just email it over to the customer here.
We went down machining one off and small batch big stuff, where the shipping costs and time go against them. For example if you wanted a 5 day shipment from China on a one ton part you'll be looking at a £2k shipping bill. We can make a part, stick it in our own pickup and deliver it to you that night.
You just need to keep adapting to keep going.
Always assumed the funeral industry is recession proof. A family member is one of the big wigs at one of the leading funeral companies and apparently they have taken a 'hit' financially during this Covid which surprised me. People are taking out the cheapest funeral packages possible compared to before so the profit margins are limited. In Asia they have started doing online funerals
Edited by donnie85 on Tuesday 2nd June 13:33
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