Nightclubs and Music Venues - not 'Viable' jobs
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Wondered where to put this, but here seems best.
Music venues and nightclubs across the country are still shut due to you-know-what, and up to now the staff have been supported on the furlough scheme, protecting jobs and ensuring that all the managers, sound and light engineers, bar staff, and everyone else involved has had some form of income. As of next month however, that scheme closes, to be replaced by the Job Support Scheme. Importantly this requires the worker to do at least 1/3rd of their normal hours, paid for by the business, and then the government will help pay for the other hours, in conjunction with the business itself. This was to help support "viable" jobs going forwards.
However, it is obvious that with nightclubs and music venues still closed by law, their staff are not going to be able to do 1/3rd of their hours, and so are ineligible for the support. The government has today explicitly declared that those jobs (and presumably the business which employ them) are 'not viable'.
A very sad day for grass roots venues right up to the large concert halls such as the O2.
Music venues and nightclubs across the country are still shut due to you-know-what, and up to now the staff have been supported on the furlough scheme, protecting jobs and ensuring that all the managers, sound and light engineers, bar staff, and everyone else involved has had some form of income. As of next month however, that scheme closes, to be replaced by the Job Support Scheme. Importantly this requires the worker to do at least 1/3rd of their normal hours, paid for by the business, and then the government will help pay for the other hours, in conjunction with the business itself. This was to help support "viable" jobs going forwards.
However, it is obvious that with nightclubs and music venues still closed by law, their staff are not going to be able to do 1/3rd of their hours, and so are ineligible for the support. The government has today explicitly declared that those jobs (and presumably the business which employ them) are 'not viable'.
A very sad day for grass roots venues right up to the large concert halls such as the O2.
I know a lot of people in the music business, those who make their money playing or from teching at gigs are having a rough time. A few have found other work, but going from touring to working in a coffee shop, or delivering for Hermes, is a bit of a comedown. I thought about setting up a PA company many years back, but now I wouldn’t want to have a warehouse full of unused gear costing me money with no end in sight.
The whole sector is completed f
ked.
Almost all of my close friends/colleagues have not earned a penny since March. Many of which didn’t meet requirements for SEISS.
I did start to keep a record of how much it has cost my wife and I in lost earnings and had to stop as it was just too depressing. Probably 6 figures by Christmas.
ked. Almost all of my close friends/colleagues have not earned a penny since March. Many of which didn’t meet requirements for SEISS.
I did start to keep a record of how much it has cost my wife and I in lost earnings and had to stop as it was just too depressing. Probably 6 figures by Christmas.
thebraketester said:
The whole sector is completed fked.
Almost all of my close friends/colleagues have not earned a penny since March. Many of which didn’t meet requirements for SEISS.
I did start to keep a record of how much it has cost my wife and I in lost earnings and had to stop as it was just too depressing. Probably 6 figures by Christmas.
Words dont mean much, and I dont really have answer, but I find so upsetting the Gubberment cant find a solution for you and everyone in this industry....ked. Almost all of my close friends/colleagues have not earned a penny since March. Many of which didn’t meet requirements for SEISS.
I did start to keep a record of how much it has cost my wife and I in lost earnings and had to stop as it was just too depressing. Probably 6 figures by Christmas.
Turn7 said:
thebraketester said:
The whole sector is completed fked.
Almost all of my close friends/colleagues have not earned a penny since March. Many of which didn’t meet requirements for SEISS.
I did start to keep a record of how much it has cost my wife and I in lost earnings and had to stop as it was just too depressing. Probably 6 figures by Christmas.
Words dont mean much, and I dont really have answer, but I find so upsetting the Gubberment cant find a solution for you and everyone in this industry....ked. Almost all of my close friends/colleagues have not earned a penny since March. Many of which didn’t meet requirements for SEISS.
I did start to keep a record of how much it has cost my wife and I in lost earnings and had to stop as it was just too depressing. Probably 6 figures by Christmas.
Turn7 said:
thebraketester said:
The whole sector is completed fked.
Almost all of my close friends/colleagues have not earned a penny since March. Many of which didn’t meet requirements for SEISS.
I did start to keep a record of how much it has cost my wife and I in lost earnings and had to stop as it was just too depressing. Probably 6 figures by Christmas.
Words dont mean much, and I dont really have answer, but I find so upsetting the Gubberment cant find a solution for you and everyone in this industry....ked. Almost all of my close friends/colleagues have not earned a penny since March. Many of which didn’t meet requirements for SEISS.
I did start to keep a record of how much it has cost my wife and I in lost earnings and had to stop as it was just too depressing. Probably 6 figures by Christmas.
Assuming in the previous years they've been prudent and financially responsible they should be vey secure and financially insulated by now?
mike74 said:
Why does the tax payer need to fund someone who was, presumably, in previous years earning the six figure sum that they're down on this year?
Assuming in the previous years they've been prudent and financially responsible they should be vey secure and financially insulated by now?
What a stupid comment. It's the principal that the businesses have been forced to close by law, given no reopening date at all, and are now ineligible for the little support which is available. Meanwhile the government is actively helping other businesses which are allowed to be open. They've literally said that nightclubs and music venues no longer count as viable jobs and have no future in this country.Assuming in the previous years they've been prudent and financially responsible they should be vey secure and financially insulated by now?
While a very few in the entertainment industry might make 6 figures, the vast majority are on little above minimum wage and for them it must be exceptionally difficult.
So you have enough cash in the bank to be able to absorb 12 months with no income? (I say 12 because it’s looking likely that theatres and venues will not be able to open with any meaningful capacity until Easter next year, at the earliest. 100% of our work was stopped on the 16th March, with no warning. Many friends had already got to work that night and were simply told to go home .)
If you are in that position you are in the very small minority.
(Re-read my post above regarding 6 figures I think you misread it.)
If you are in that position you are in the very small minority.
(Re-read my post above regarding 6 figures I think you misread it.)
thebraketester said:
So you have enough cash in the bank to be able to absorb 12 months with no income? (I say 12 because it’s looking likely that theatres and venues will not be able to open with any meaningful capacity until Easter next year, at the earliest. 100% of our work was stopped on the 16th March, with no warning. Many friends had already got to work that night and were simply told to go home .)
If you are in that position you are in the very small minority.
(Re-read my post above regarding 6 figures I think you misread it.)
I've got enough cash in bank to absorb at least 12 years living with no income, but that's by the by.If you are in that position you are in the very small minority.
(Re-read my post above regarding 6 figures I think you misread it.)
What did I misread or misunderstand about your post saying you and your wife's lost income will probably be in 6 figures by Christmas?
Nope, sorry still struggling here
In one post you say you and your wife's lost earnings for this year will ''probably be 6 figures by Christmas'', then in another post you say ''whilst some in the industry make 6 figures, we don't''
Those two statements sound pretty contradictory to me?
In one post you say you and your wife's lost earnings for this year will ''probably be 6 figures by Christmas'', then in another post you say ''whilst some in the industry make 6 figures, we don't''
Those two statements sound pretty contradictory to me?
mike74 said:
Nope, sorry still struggling here
In one post you say you and your wife's lost earnings for this year will ''probably be 6 figures by Christmas'', then in another post you say ''whilst some in the industry make 6 figures, we don't''
Those two statements sound pretty contradictory to me?
Brilliant. A simple piece of primary school maths has completely trumped you. In one post you say you and your wife's lost earnings for this year will ''probably be 6 figures by Christmas'', then in another post you say ''whilst some in the industry make 6 figures, we don't''
Those two statements sound pretty contradictory to me?
Not in the industry anymore, very fond memories of my time working in bars, clubs and DJ'ing.
As has been mentioned, the bulk of the industry is propped up by an untrained, transient workforce. Students working part time serving drinks etc.
But the full timers, the promoters, venue owners and operators, technicians, performers. Just decimated, so very sad for everyone and you've got to imagine that if there is an end game in sight for Covid, the industry could take decades to recover.
You'd struggle to even come up with an alternative use for a lot of the venues.
A good friend had a massively successful business supporting the industry, providing barriers, fencing and porta-loos to events as big as Glastonbury and the Olympics. Grown from an idea to employing dozens of staff and working all over the country.
The business is gone and since his cancer treatment was stopped so is he sadly. He'll be massively missed by all his friends, his contribution to the economy will be missed by everyone.
As has been mentioned, the bulk of the industry is propped up by an untrained, transient workforce. Students working part time serving drinks etc.
But the full timers, the promoters, venue owners and operators, technicians, performers. Just decimated, so very sad for everyone and you've got to imagine that if there is an end game in sight for Covid, the industry could take decades to recover.
You'd struggle to even come up with an alternative use for a lot of the venues.
A good friend had a massively successful business supporting the industry, providing barriers, fencing and porta-loos to events as big as Glastonbury and the Olympics. Grown from an idea to employing dozens of staff and working all over the country.
The business is gone and since his cancer treatment was stopped so is he sadly. He'll be massively missed by all his friends, his contribution to the economy will be missed by everyone.
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