Opinions on a move - IT sales
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Morning learned friends
Just wanted a quick 3rd party overview from anybody in the business. I think I am fairly well on the way to a decision but would appreciate some outside opinion
Current role - work for a tinshifter. Currently working from home but with the probability of a staged return to the office in the near future. Spend most of my day quoting hardware/software licensing and processing orders. Frustrated by lack of communication and contact from management (we've just been left to get on with it for 6 months). No commission after they moved the goal posts 3 months after I joined. Not doing the role I was recruited to do due to a lack of staff and seem to be struggling to recruit the necessary. On the plus side the company is in a very healthy position and still growing despite the current circumstances
I have been approached by previous colleagues. Fast growing Microsoft Gold partner who focus purely on cloud in Azure and M365. Lots of new stuff to learn from a product point of view and avenues into either external sales, project management or sales support management. 8 colleagues from a previous employer already work there. I was contacted on Thursday last week by one of the sales managers and then by the CCO on Friday and the offer was made on the phone to match what I'm on - offer is in the post, signed off by board and investors already. This would be 100% remote position and they are even talking about closing the office and doing all through Teams - regular casual and conference calls being held to look after the staff
For those in IT - in the current circumstances I can see more and more moving from physical hardware to either a hybrid or public cloud platform and a move to a more cutting edge technology - looks to give more opportunity than sitting waiting for the hardware market to gradually fizzle out - makes sense to me. Obviously flattering to be thought of in good terms by ex colleagues/management as well
Just wanted a quick 3rd party overview from anybody in the business. I think I am fairly well on the way to a decision but would appreciate some outside opinion
Current role - work for a tinshifter. Currently working from home but with the probability of a staged return to the office in the near future. Spend most of my day quoting hardware/software licensing and processing orders. Frustrated by lack of communication and contact from management (we've just been left to get on with it for 6 months). No commission after they moved the goal posts 3 months after I joined. Not doing the role I was recruited to do due to a lack of staff and seem to be struggling to recruit the necessary. On the plus side the company is in a very healthy position and still growing despite the current circumstances
I have been approached by previous colleagues. Fast growing Microsoft Gold partner who focus purely on cloud in Azure and M365. Lots of new stuff to learn from a product point of view and avenues into either external sales, project management or sales support management. 8 colleagues from a previous employer already work there. I was contacted on Thursday last week by one of the sales managers and then by the CCO on Friday and the offer was made on the phone to match what I'm on - offer is in the post, signed off by board and investors already. This would be 100% remote position and they are even talking about closing the office and doing all through Teams - regular casual and conference calls being held to look after the staff
For those in IT - in the current circumstances I can see more and more moving from physical hardware to either a hybrid or public cloud platform and a move to a more cutting edge technology - looks to give more opportunity than sitting waiting for the hardware market to gradually fizzle out - makes sense to me. Obviously flattering to be thought of in good terms by ex colleagues/management as well
I dont know you or your skills but from what has been stated above. DO IT!
I am in the same world but a decade ahead of you. I was in Nortel in 09 when they went tits up and got into a cloud voice provider almost immediately, technical at first, then PM, then sales. I am just annoyed i didnt do it sooner as i wiuld have made even more over the last few years.
On prem hardware/tin/boxes will die a death. Teams, much as i hate it will be there or there abouts if MS stop changing their mind. You are making a jump to a cloud role that will set you up for the rest of your career.....why you still here? DO IT!
I am in the same world but a decade ahead of you. I was in Nortel in 09 when they went tits up and got into a cloud voice provider almost immediately, technical at first, then PM, then sales. I am just annoyed i didnt do it sooner as i wiuld have made even more over the last few years.
On prem hardware/tin/boxes will die a death. Teams, much as i hate it will be there or there abouts if MS stop changing their mind. You are making a jump to a cloud role that will set you up for the rest of your career.....why you still here? DO IT!
Given Azure is growing at a phenomenal rate and cloud (IaaS/PaaS) is priority for most CIOs, and that there are still a lot of workloads to move... I can think of worse ideas.
What is the role? How is it defined? What are the metrics for success? Is it sales/PM, etc? Or jack of all trades?
Also why move for no uplift if you are in demand? (yes better opportunity but you need a route to upside?)
What is the role? How is it defined? What are the metrics for success? Is it sales/PM, etc? Or jack of all trades?
Also why move for no uplift if you are in demand? (yes better opportunity but you need a route to upside?)
Why would they only offer to match what you are on? Surely the offer should be at a premium to what you are on? They are the ones trying to tempt you away from your current position.
Did you give them he impression that you were dissatisfied and would be prepared to move for the same package?
Did you give them he impression that you were dissatisfied and would be prepared to move for the same package?
Thanks for the input guys
In all honesty they know I was somewhat unhappy so the move is sideways for the minute - moving into a sales support role whilst learning this side of the business. There is a quarterly bonus scheme on top so the opportunity to earn some extra over the 12-18 months until we choose a direction. I know the CTO and the CCO and they come from a business (where I previously worked) of educating and promoting from within.
The business is currently a Microsoft Gold partner in 12 competencies and they aim to be the no1 Microsoft partner in the UK. I also know for a fact that they are speaking to other ex colleagues from the previous business (which was taken over a couple of years ago and made a right mess of)
In all honesty they know I was somewhat unhappy so the move is sideways for the minute - moving into a sales support role whilst learning this side of the business. There is a quarterly bonus scheme on top so the opportunity to earn some extra over the 12-18 months until we choose a direction. I know the CTO and the CCO and they come from a business (where I previously worked) of educating and promoting from within.
The business is currently a Microsoft Gold partner in 12 competencies and they aim to be the no1 Microsoft partner in the UK. I also know for a fact that they are speaking to other ex colleagues from the previous business (which was taken over a couple of years ago and made a right mess of)
Pieman68 said:
The business is currently a Microsoft Gold partner in 12 competencies and they aim to be the no1 Microsoft partner in the UK. I also know for a fact that they are speaking to other ex colleagues from the previous business (which was taken over a couple of years ago and made a right mess of)
PM me their name and I'll see if I have any intel on them.anonymous said:
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He's good but "on premise" is in a slow spiral of margin death outside of some areas (mainframe, some compliance areas, some clients prefer capex historically, some CIOs want to build buildings)Personally I wouldn't invest in a physical infra business outside of workplace right now.
edit: Mike Norris
I wonder who wrote his wiki entry
anonymous said:
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Because they are running a defined platform workload that may benefit from a bespoke platform and they want control over their destiny. They are fundamentally a tech and data company not a travel company.The whole world of cloud (IaaS, PaaS, data (1st/2nd/3rd party), sovereignty (application and data), the merits of Google Anthos, etc) is a fascinating topic and I could literally discuss for a week.
We are off topic as you note
Thanks for all your inputs guys. I have now received a written offer and with your assistance (and casting my net around a few friends in the industry) I have made the decision to make the move.
Whilst I can see the argument that there will always be a place for hardware on prem (as stated about large enterprise and compliance around data is a valid argument) I can only see a move to the cloud in general. A lot of talk of downsizing offices and even shutting them down completely, but co-lo definitely doesn't appear to be the route that is being taken - Azure or AWS looks like the place to be
Whilst I can see the argument that there will always be a place for hardware on prem (as stated about large enterprise and compliance around data is a valid argument) I can only see a move to the cloud in general. A lot of talk of downsizing offices and even shutting them down completely, but co-lo definitely doesn't appear to be the route that is being taken - Azure or AWS looks like the place to be
anonymous said:
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Cheers Chicken dinnerSure I'll find out about the value add piece over time once I've joined but I know the CCO is a very sharp guy having worked with him before so I'm not worried there
As for margins - I'm coming from a tin only reseller so our margins are generally low as we tend to "pile it high, sell it cheap" to a lot of smaller IT companies more so than the end users. We're competing with distribution in a lot of cases, with the value add being the service - hence the reason I see a limited opportunity for growth of progression
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