Can I educate myself out of this rut?
Discussion
Early next year I am due to remortgage and I'm going to take the opportunity to reduce my monthly outgoings by paying off a pesky loan and credit card which has been hanging around from years ago (moved out at 17 and away for work, ended up struggling and getting in to debt...) so that I am able to take a drop in wages if need be.
I have a fairly flexible employer in the sense that they may let me do 5 days in 4, but will still probably require overtime unfortunately.
I have spent 10 years In a field which has looked after me okay, I've earned quite good money in the past and now I am on 33k+OT. I was contracting but I've taken perm as needed to port mortgage to move house and I'll need to remortgage soon as I mentioned.
I work in a technical/engineering field in the motorsport industry with no formal qualifications apart from some GCSEs.
The work is getting me down to a point where I don't want to get up and go to it in the mornings. It also has other impacts on my physcial health which I won't go in to in great detail.
I'd rather not have to do a 3 year degree to make a change but have considered open university.
Also considered shorter courses such as AAT for accountancy and CompTIA for IT. Both of which might help me make a change but would see me on a very low starting wage even if I did manage to blag a job, but it would be quicker than doing a degree and I could spend that time gaining new experience instead of being miserable in current role.
I don't have any massive interests or passions as such but I do value a normal 37 hour working week (which I haven't had since I was 17, I've been working and working for as long as I can remember now, I'm 29) reasonable wage, don't mind responsibility or stress but constant demands to work relentless overtime with no balance gets me down.
I guess the point in my post is just to draw on the experiences of some of the wise people on here and hear your success stories when you made a leap in to the unknown for a better future.
I'm unsure where to begin or what to do but I'm hoping I can take inspiration from others to keep me going while I slog it out at work.
I have a fairly flexible employer in the sense that they may let me do 5 days in 4, but will still probably require overtime unfortunately.
I have spent 10 years In a field which has looked after me okay, I've earned quite good money in the past and now I am on 33k+OT. I was contracting but I've taken perm as needed to port mortgage to move house and I'll need to remortgage soon as I mentioned.
I work in a technical/engineering field in the motorsport industry with no formal qualifications apart from some GCSEs.
The work is getting me down to a point where I don't want to get up and go to it in the mornings. It also has other impacts on my physcial health which I won't go in to in great detail.
I'd rather not have to do a 3 year degree to make a change but have considered open university.
Also considered shorter courses such as AAT for accountancy and CompTIA for IT. Both of which might help me make a change but would see me on a very low starting wage even if I did manage to blag a job, but it would be quicker than doing a degree and I could spend that time gaining new experience instead of being miserable in current role.
I don't have any massive interests or passions as such but I do value a normal 37 hour working week (which I haven't had since I was 17, I've been working and working for as long as I can remember now, I'm 29) reasonable wage, don't mind responsibility or stress but constant demands to work relentless overtime with no balance gets me down.
I guess the point in my post is just to draw on the experiences of some of the wise people on here and hear your success stories when you made a leap in to the unknown for a better future.
I'm unsure where to begin or what to do but I'm hoping I can take inspiration from others to keep me going while I slog it out at work.
If you work in a technical/engineering field then moving into IT isn't that hard and you don't need a degree.
What sort of work do you do now? Do you have any project management skills, can you write specifications, can you do any programming?
I moved into IT from Facilities Management/M&E maintenance.
What sort of work do you do now? Do you have any project management skills, can you write specifications, can you do any programming?
I moved into IT from Facilities Management/M&E maintenance.
If you stay where you are it will only get worse.
I worked for the same firm in more or less the same discipline for 15 years (foundry/ engineering).
I moved five years ago into electronics industry (from automotive to aerospace too) and loved the change. Learning new stuff, whilst sharing my experience of another industry.
You are bound to have transferable skills (although you may think you don't?)- so try going into another market or even just another employer who does not demand the same levels of overtime.
Best of luck...
I worked for the same firm in more or less the same discipline for 15 years (foundry/ engineering).
I moved five years ago into electronics industry (from automotive to aerospace too) and loved the change. Learning new stuff, whilst sharing my experience of another industry.
You are bound to have transferable skills (although you may think you don't?)- so try going into another market or even just another employer who does not demand the same levels of overtime.
Best of luck...
98elise said:
If you work in a technical/engineering field then moving into IT isn't that hard and you don't need a degree.
What sort of work do you do now? Do you have any project management skills, can you write specifications, can you do any programming?
I moved into IT from Facilities Management/M&E maintenance.
I'm not so sure, I have barely used a computer since I left school. I like to think I could get my head around it but beyond sending emails and online shopping I have literally zero knowledge really. What sort of work do you do now? Do you have any project management skills, can you write specifications, can you do any programming?
I moved into IT from Facilities Management/M&E maintenance.
The work i do at the moment is making things out of composite materials to an engineers drawing or manual. This could be anything from making/building F1 chassis or just bodywork for a rich man's toy. I have in the past been a supervisor and looked after certain projects, liaising/meeting with engineers, customers, buyers etc. to discuss project requirements and help produce technical information and work instructions, quoted for work. It is however extremely manual with little IT skills utilised.
How did you find the jump from your previous career and if you don't mind me asking, how did you get started?
I did love IT when I was younger, I think I even started to make a website/forum at one point when I was a teenager and heavily in to longboarding (big skateboards for anyone who's not familiar lol) but it all kind of goes over my head now. I'm in that awkward generation that was taught the basics but not how to code etc at school.
I've been thinking of self studying CompTIA and applying for help desk roles to start off with, I could probably just about live off the wages once I Remortgage early next year. It also appeals because doing longer courses would mean longer stuck in current job.
Edited by Prancing Moose on Tuesday 20th October 20:27
mike9009 said:
If you stay where you are it will only get worse.
I worked for the same firm in more or less the same discipline for 15 years (foundry/ engineering).
I moved five years ago into electronics industry (from automotive to aerospace too) and loved the change. Learning new stuff, whilst sharing my experience of another industry.
You are bound to have transferable skills (although you may think you don't?)- so try going into another market or even just another employer who does not demand the same levels of overtime.
Best of luck...
Thank you for your advice. I worked for the same firm in more or less the same discipline for 15 years (foundry/ engineering).
I moved five years ago into electronics industry (from automotive to aerospace too) and loved the change. Learning new stuff, whilst sharing my experience of another industry.
You are bound to have transferable skills (although you may think you don't?)- so try going into another market or even just another employer who does not demand the same levels of overtime.
Best of luck...
I've tried quite a few employers over the years as I spent quite a while contracting. The ones who do not require overtime are the companies who do the most boring work I.e. Production runs for road car projects. This would actually be even worse unfortunately although better hours is nice.
I think I definitely need to make a change soon, I have tried moving to other areas and applied for roles such as technical purchaser for my industry, thinking my ability to read drawings and actually know what I'm talking about when helping customers would be of benefit, same with technical sales, but I've been unsuccessful so far. I was offered a role as an estimating engineer, at the time I didn't think it was enough money so I turned it down, but I did regret not jumping on it. As it turned out the firm went bust so probably for the best I didn't bother.
It's mainly from a health point of view that gives my situation some urgency really.
I'm glad your change worked out well, it's nice to hear a positive story
Are you a composite Laminator or trimmer/fitter?
I'm a laminator and I can completely relate.
It's the most horrific money trap.
Relentless overtime. Demanding customers. The egos in F1 make my teeth itch. The fibres and resins have given me allergic rhinitis, I've lost my sense of smell, my nose is always sore and bleeding.
I was lucky and got a contract gig at Red bull when I was 21 on very good money. You could say I peaked too soon. I can't stand the job any more. But what else pays an uneducated person up to 65k pa for such an easy job?
If you figure it out let me know, I'm desperate to get out as well!
If all else fails, you could go in to quality inspection. Dealing with cured and finished components will be easier on your health but it's a bit boring. A good mate of mine spends most of his shifts waiting for an insert to be glued in to the chassis so that he can poke it with the roma arm, to tell them its 0.05mm out, then wait until its ready to be checked again.
This probably hasn't helped but at least you know you're not alone.
I'm a laminator and I can completely relate.
It's the most horrific money trap.
Relentless overtime. Demanding customers. The egos in F1 make my teeth itch. The fibres and resins have given me allergic rhinitis, I've lost my sense of smell, my nose is always sore and bleeding.
I was lucky and got a contract gig at Red bull when I was 21 on very good money. You could say I peaked too soon. I can't stand the job any more. But what else pays an uneducated person up to 65k pa for such an easy job?
If you figure it out let me know, I'm desperate to get out as well!
If all else fails, you could go in to quality inspection. Dealing with cured and finished components will be easier on your health but it's a bit boring. A good mate of mine spends most of his shifts waiting for an insert to be glued in to the chassis so that he can poke it with the roma arm, to tell them its 0.05mm out, then wait until its ready to be checked again.
This probably hasn't helped but at least you know you're not alone.
Prancing Moose said:
98elise said:
If you work in a technical/engineering field then moving into IT isn't that hard and you don't need a degree.
What sort of work do you do now? Do you have any project management skills, can you write specifications, can you do any programming?
I moved into IT from Facilities Management/M&E maintenance.
I'm not so sure, I have barely used a computer since I left school. I like to think I could get my head around it but beyond sending emails and online shopping I have literally zero knowledge really. What sort of work do you do now? Do you have any project management skills, can you write specifications, can you do any programming?
I moved into IT from Facilities Management/M&E maintenance.
The work i do at the moment is making things out of composite materials to an engineers drawing or manual. This could be anything from making/building F1 chassis or just bodywork for a rich man's toy. I have in the past been a supervisor and looked after certain projects, liaising/meeting with engineers, customers, buyers etc. to discuss project requirements and help produce technical information and work instructions, quoted for work. It is however extremely manual with little IT skills utilised.
How did you find the jump from your previous career and if you don't mind me asking, how did you get started?
I did love IT when I was younger, I think I even started to make a website/forum at one point when I was a teenager and heavily in to longboarding (big skateboards for anyone who's not familiar lol) but it all kind of goes over my head now. I'm in that awkward generation that was taught the basics but not how to code etc at school.
I've been thinking of self studying CompTIA and applying for help desk roles to start off with, I could probably just about live off the wages once I Remortgage early next year. It also appeals because doing longer courses would mean longer stuck in current job.
Edited by Prancing Moose on Tuesday 20th October 20:27
An IT job came up to support the same system and I got it. That meant everything from resetting passwords to bug fixing. Most of the bug fixing was in the database using a programming language called PL/SQL (an extension of the SQL language). From there I took on more systems and built a support team.
After a few years I moved into Business Analysis which is acting as a translator between busines users, and developers. Users want a system, but developers want a set of written specs. A BA will produce requirements, functional (and non functional) specifications, process models etc to turn the user's needs into something a developer can work with.
Along the way I did a number of SQL and PL/SQL courses, and then a number of ISEB BA courses and qualifications. I also did PRINCE2 and ITIL (Project Management and Service Management standards)
None of those courses were more than a few days each, so we're not talking years of study.
Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 21st October 00:11
98elise said:
I was a super user....
An IT job came up to support the same system...
After a few years I moved into Business Analysis which is acting as a translator between busines users, and developers. Users want a system, but developers want a set of written specs. A BA will produce requirements, functional (and non functional) specifications, process models etc to turn the user's needs into something a developer can work with.
Along the way I did a number of SQL and PL/SQL courses, and then a number of ISEB BA courses and qualifications. I also did PRINCE2 and ITIL (Project Management and Service Management standards)
None of those courses were more than a few days each, so we're not talking years of study.
Nope, but you did have years of experience and existing technical knowledge. An IT job came up to support the same system...
After a few years I moved into Business Analysis which is acting as a translator between busines users, and developers. Users want a system, but developers want a set of written specs. A BA will produce requirements, functional (and non functional) specifications, process models etc to turn the user's needs into something a developer can work with.
Along the way I did a number of SQL and PL/SQL courses, and then a number of ISEB BA courses and qualifications. I also did PRINCE2 and ITIL (Project Management and Service Management standards)
None of those courses were more than a few days each, so we're not talking years of study.
Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 21st October 00:11
OP, you are in a money trap.
You are paid well as it is a job people don't want to do.
What transferable skills do you have? Does the local night school offer any courses that interest you?
You will certainly need a foundation year to bring your maths up to scratch before you will get on an Engineering degree.
Does your company, or any local companies offer a mature apprenticeship? It will take longer to get a degree, but you will be earning (albeit almost certainly with a pay hit) and gaining experience.
The other option is going down a trade route. Sparky / plumber / fitting windows etc. The tickets will take an amount of study, but not three years. Work can be tuned to do what you want to avoid scrabbling around the back of sinks / boilers / in people's lofts, by working on new builds or specialising in landlord certification say.
CubanPete said:
You are paid well as it is a job people don't want to do.
I agree with everything except for this. The bigger teams and companies have people queuing up for the chance to earn a good wage with no degree making formula one cars. The wages are good because the parts are expensive and often safety critical, and it can take years to get good enough experience to be able to get given some drawings and material and just crack on. There are also a lot of inexperienced blaggers which make genuinely experienced people like the OP quite valuable. The skills are in demand as it's a growing sector with as carbon fibre/composite components spread more in to lightweight road cars, the renewable energy sector, aerospace etc.
Having said all this, I still think it may come out years down the line that the stuff is like the new asbestos. But no current guidelines exist as far as I'm aware.
OP, if you have never actually worked at an F1 team direct, you might be best off trying it before you finally throw in the towel. They are a lot better than the sub contract places, and you are treated well. You will also have a circa. 20k payrise plus potential bonus, as well as free lunch and health care, more generous holidays. Don't get me wrong, it's still s
t, but the money can get you through on bad days. Regarding the above post, is it possible to get in to the trades without an apprenticeship? A lot of the similar threads on here seem to say the qualifications are useless without on the job training.
Edited by CX53 on Wednesday 21st October 10:08
CubanPete said:
98elise said:
I was a super user....
An IT job came up to support the same system...
After a few years I moved into Business Analysis which is acting as a translator between busines users, and developers. Users want a system, but developers want a set of written specs. A BA will produce requirements, functional (and non functional) specifications, process models etc to turn the user's needs into something a developer can work with.
Along the way I did a number of SQL and PL/SQL courses, and then a number of ISEB BA courses and qualifications. I also did PRINCE2 and ITIL (Project Management and Service Management standards)
None of those courses were more than a few days each, so we're not talking years of study.
Nope, but you did have years of experience and existing technical knowledge. An IT job came up to support the same system...
After a few years I moved into Business Analysis which is acting as a translator between busines users, and developers. Users want a system, but developers want a set of written specs. A BA will produce requirements, functional (and non functional) specifications, process models etc to turn the user's needs into something a developer can work with.
Along the way I did a number of SQL and PL/SQL courses, and then a number of ISEB BA courses and qualifications. I also did PRINCE2 and ITIL (Project Management and Service Management standards)
None of those courses were more than a few days each, so we're not talking years of study.
Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 21st October 00:11
OP, you are in a money trap.
You are paid well as it is a job people don't want to do.
What transferable skills do you have? Does the local night school offer any courses that interest you?
You will certainly need a foundation year to bring your maths up to scratch before you will get on an Engineering degree.
Does your company, or any local companies offer a mature apprenticeship? It will take longer to get a degree, but you will be earning (albeit almost certainly with a pay hit) and gaining experience.
The other option is going down a trade route. Sparky / plumber / fitting windows etc. The tickets will take an amount of study, but not three years. Work can be tuned to do what you want to avoid scrabbling around the back of sinks / boilers / in people's lofts, by working on new builds or specialising in landlord certification say.
BA is a role I have seen business users transition into fairly easily. Much of it is common sense and the ability to write clear unambiguous documentation.
Also an engineer that's used to fault finding can bug fix code, you already have the right mindset.
Prancing Moose said:
Also considered shorter courses such as AAT for accountancy and CompTIA for IT. Both of which might help me make a change but would see me on a very low starting wage even if I did manage to blag a job, but it would be quicker than doing a degree and I could spend that time gaining new experience instead of being miserable in current role.
Advantage of AAT is that if you apply yourself and pick it up quickly you can complete it in about 18 months.The downside is it's unlikely you'll see £33k any time soon, not without more relevant experience or going on to study something like ACCA/CIMA.
If you're not enjoying your current line of work, I don't recommend a career in accountancy to freshen up your life.
You can easily earn another £30k+ on top of your current salary if you become fully qualified but don't expect it to pull you out of a rut and make life more fun. It's not fun, it's not sexy, and everyone typecasts you as a bore before you've even told them how many hookers you see each lunch time.
Ask me how I know...
You can easily earn another £30k+ on top of your current salary if you become fully qualified but don't expect it to pull you out of a rut and make life more fun. It's not fun, it's not sexy, and everyone typecasts you as a bore before you've even told them how many hookers you see each lunch time.
Ask me how I know...
Get yourself trained and qualified as a project planner / manager.
There is a huge demand for project planners and managers atm and there has been for at least the last decade .
This shortage in supply has created very, very attractive pay and renumeration packages and its even more lucrative when working as a contractor.
Infrastructure projects such as HS2, Green Energy, Nuclear etc are sucking in project planning/ management expertise like a fat kid with a Macdonalds shake and the huge gap between supply and demand is waiting to be filled. Get qualified, get experience and the opportunities will present themselves.
Moreover the skills are perfectly portable, not only between companies but also industries and even economies.
Life is too short to buggar about being unhappy in a job you don't like.
Cheers,
Tony
There is a huge demand for project planners and managers atm and there has been for at least the last decade .
This shortage in supply has created very, very attractive pay and renumeration packages and its even more lucrative when working as a contractor.
Infrastructure projects such as HS2, Green Energy, Nuclear etc are sucking in project planning/ management expertise like a fat kid with a Macdonalds shake and the huge gap between supply and demand is waiting to be filled. Get qualified, get experience and the opportunities will present themselves.
Moreover the skills are perfectly portable, not only between companies but also industries and even economies.
Life is too short to buggar about being unhappy in a job you don't like.
Cheers,
Tony
I wouldn't bother with a lengthy degree unless you have a clear goal like becoming a teacher or nurse.
There are some short courses which could help kick-start a new career. Don't feel stuck. Make the change now. The sooner the better.
CIPS would give you an insight in to purchasing and you could apply for tech buyer roles
CIPD cert HR would give you an insight in to HR and employment law, could apply for HR admin roles
CompTIA and apply for help desk
HGV licence and get out of your current role quickly
PTLLS and then you're qualified to teach anything you have a qualification in at an FE college
AAT, start at level 2 and then apply for junior finance roles
Carpentry/plastering/electrical/plumbing basic courses could enable you to start up as a handy man, youd need a small van, some tools, advertising and do a nice neat job. If you get good, you could even fit kitchens, do tiling etc. Can be very good money.
Care. The care sector is crying out for male employees. You can start on 9-10£ per hour and work your way up to a Co ordinator or supervisor role on much more, perhaps care manager on good money
Traffic management. Unsociable hours but good pay and will train you on the job. Search for chevron traffic management for an idea.
Warehouse work. My local warehouse pays new recruits a tenner an hour, 12.50 for nights. Supervisors are on around 25k, managers on 32. Ops manager much more. Its not for everyone but it's an easy option with no study required. I've even thought about this myself as I coiold save around 200 quid a month on fuel and 1. 5 hours per day travelling, do a bit of overtime and I could make the money work.
Sales. Get the right role and you can earn big. Culture of false positivity might get to you.
There are some short courses which could help kick-start a new career. Don't feel stuck. Make the change now. The sooner the better.
CIPS would give you an insight in to purchasing and you could apply for tech buyer roles
CIPD cert HR would give you an insight in to HR and employment law, could apply for HR admin roles
CompTIA and apply for help desk
HGV licence and get out of your current role quickly
PTLLS and then you're qualified to teach anything you have a qualification in at an FE college
AAT, start at level 2 and then apply for junior finance roles
Carpentry/plastering/electrical/plumbing basic courses could enable you to start up as a handy man, youd need a small van, some tools, advertising and do a nice neat job. If you get good, you could even fit kitchens, do tiling etc. Can be very good money.
Care. The care sector is crying out for male employees. You can start on 9-10£ per hour and work your way up to a Co ordinator or supervisor role on much more, perhaps care manager on good money
Traffic management. Unsociable hours but good pay and will train you on the job. Search for chevron traffic management for an idea.
Warehouse work. My local warehouse pays new recruits a tenner an hour, 12.50 for nights. Supervisors are on around 25k, managers on 32. Ops manager much more. Its not for everyone but it's an easy option with no study required. I've even thought about this myself as I coiold save around 200 quid a month on fuel and 1. 5 hours per day travelling, do a bit of overtime and I could make the money work.
Sales. Get the right role and you can earn big. Culture of false positivity might get to you.
OP, you probably already know FRP composites are used in the construction industry for structural strengthening.
Possible avenue to move into application/ project management/ sales etc with a manufacturer or contractor? If you did an HNC/HND in Construction would boost opportunities.
Possible avenue to move into application/ project management/ sales etc with a manufacturer or contractor? If you did an HNC/HND in Construction would boost opportunities.
Edited by T1547 on Thursday 22 October 08:28
CX53 said:
Are you a composite Laminator or trimmer/fitter?
I'm a laminator and I can completely relate.
It's the most horrific money trap.
Relentless overtime. Demanding customers. The egos in F1 make my teeth itch. The fibres and resins have given me allergic rhinitis, I've lost my sense of smell, my nose is always sore and bleeding.
I was lucky and got a contract gig at Red bull when I was 21 on very good money. You could say I peaked too soon. I can't stand the job any more. But what else pays an uneducated person up to 65k pa for such an easy job?
If you figure it out let me know, I'm desperate to get out as well!
If all else fails, you could go in to quality inspection. Dealing with cured and finished components will be easier on your health but it's a bit boring. A good mate of mine spends most of his shifts waiting for an insert to be glued in to the chassis so that he can poke it with the roma arm, to tell them its 0.05mm out, then wait until its ready to be checked again.
This probably hasn't helped but at least you know you're not alone.
I am currently laminating but can also trim/fit too. I'm a laminator and I can completely relate.
It's the most horrific money trap.
Relentless overtime. Demanding customers. The egos in F1 make my teeth itch. The fibres and resins have given me allergic rhinitis, I've lost my sense of smell, my nose is always sore and bleeding.
I was lucky and got a contract gig at Red bull when I was 21 on very good money. You could say I peaked too soon. I can't stand the job any more. But what else pays an uneducated person up to 65k pa for such an easy job?
If you figure it out let me know, I'm desperate to get out as well!
If all else fails, you could go in to quality inspection. Dealing with cured and finished components will be easier on your health but it's a bit boring. A good mate of mine spends most of his shifts waiting for an insert to be glued in to the chassis so that he can poke it with the roma arm, to tell them its 0.05mm out, then wait until its ready to be checked again.
This probably hasn't helped but at least you know you're not alone.
You're completely right it is a money trap and I hate the constant need for OT also.
I had thought about inspection but not really my sort of thing and similar industry money trap really.
In answer to your other post, yes I have worked in F1 in the past, and the money certainly does help deal with things for sure, but I'm firmly of the belief that life shouldn't just be about money so I'm definitely going to try and make a positive change.
Best of luck to you, hopefully see you on the other side!!
CubanPete said:
98elise said:
I was a super user....
An IT job came up to support the same system...
After a few years I moved into Business Analysis which is acting as a translator between busines users, and developers. Users want a system, but developers want a set of written specs. A BA will produce requirements, functional (and non functional) specifications, process models etc to turn the user's needs into something a developer can work with.
Along the way I did a number of SQL and PL/SQL courses, and then a number of ISEB BA courses and qualifications. I also did PRINCE2 and ITIL (Project Management and Service Management standards)
None of those courses were more than a few days each, so we're not talking years of study.
Nope, but you did have years of experience and existing technical knowledge. An IT job came up to support the same system...
After a few years I moved into Business Analysis which is acting as a translator between busines users, and developers. Users want a system, but developers want a set of written specs. A BA will produce requirements, functional (and non functional) specifications, process models etc to turn the user's needs into something a developer can work with.
Along the way I did a number of SQL and PL/SQL courses, and then a number of ISEB BA courses and qualifications. I also did PRINCE2 and ITIL (Project Management and Service Management standards)
None of those courses were more than a few days each, so we're not talking years of study.
Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 21st October 00:11
OP, you are in a money trap.
You are paid well as it is a job people don't want to do.
What transferable skills do you have? Does the local night school offer any courses that interest you?
You will certainly need a foundation year to bring your maths up to scratch before you will get on an Engineering degree.
Does your company, or any local companies offer a mature apprenticeship? It will take longer to get a degree, but you will be earning (albeit almost certainly with a pay hit) and gaining experience.
The other option is going down a trade route. Sparky / plumber / fitting windows etc. The tickets will take an amount of study, but not three years. Work can be tuned to do what you want to avoid scrabbling around the back of sinks / boilers / in people's lofts, by working on new builds or specialising in landlord certification say.
I honestly think that IT stuff is way over my head.
I think at very most I could do help desk and build from there but I'm in no way capable of a full on IT gig after a couple of short courses.
Zetec-S said:
Advantage of AAT is that if you apply yourself and pick it up quickly you can complete it in about 18 months.
The downside is it's unlikely you'll see £33k any time soon, not without more relevant experience or going on to study something like ACCA/CIMA.
I would be happy to take a cut in pay for the right career move. The downside is it's unlikely you'll see £33k any time soon, not without more relevant experience or going on to study something like ACCA/CIMA.
But would entry level aat quals be enough to get a job any how?
pb8g09 said:
If you're not enjoying your current line of work, I don't recommend a career in accountancy to freshen up your life.
You can easily earn another £30k+ on top of your current salary if you become fully qualified but don't expect it to pull you out of a rut and make life more fun. It's not fun, it's not sexy, and everyone typecasts you as a bore before you've even told them how many hookers you see each lunch time.
Ask me how I know...
Duly noted, thank you. You can easily earn another £30k+ on top of your current salary if you become fully qualified but don't expect it to pull you out of a rut and make life more fun. It's not fun, it's not sexy, and everyone typecasts you as a bore before you've even told them how many hookers you see each lunch time.
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Tony427 said:
Get yourself trained and qualified as a project planner / manager.
There is a huge demand for project planners and managers atm and there has been for at least the last decade .
This shortage in supply has created very, very attractive pay and renumeration packages and its even more lucrative when working as a contractor.
Infrastructure projects such as HS2, Green Energy, Nuclear etc are sucking in project planning/ management expertise like a fat kid with a Macdonalds shake and the huge gap between supply and demand is waiting to be filled. Get qualified, get experience and the opportunities will present themselves.
Moreover the skills are perfectly portable, not only between companies but also industries and even economies.
Life is too short to buggar about being unhappy in a job you don't like.
Cheers,
Tony
Hi Tony, There is a huge demand for project planners and managers atm and there has been for at least the last decade .
This shortage in supply has created very, very attractive pay and renumeration packages and its even more lucrative when working as a contractor.
Infrastructure projects such as HS2, Green Energy, Nuclear etc are sucking in project planning/ management expertise like a fat kid with a Macdonalds shake and the huge gap between supply and demand is waiting to be filled. Get qualified, get experience and the opportunities will present themselves.
Moreover the skills are perfectly portable, not only between companies but also industries and even economies.
Life is too short to buggar about being unhappy in a job you don't like.
Cheers,
Tony
Thanks for the advice.
Interesting idea with the project management. I would've thought that there would be more to it though, than just becoming a PM. The PMs in my industry that don't have much specific or hands on experience are largely useless and/or found out and sacked pretty swiftly!
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