Warehouse skills
Discussion
With the country going where it is, why don't they just forget educating kids, and just start training them in warehouse skills for example, ready for the market. Packing, picking and sweeping up.
It would help the country bounce back, as well as give young adults a chance to not acheive much, which is going to happen anyway?
It would help the country bounce back, as well as give young adults a chance to not acheive much, which is going to happen anyway?
Because a few years from now all of these jobs will be done by robots. We have fully automated factories now, with autonomous forklifts, packing machines, etc. Why employ people in this work when you don't need to?
Instead we should be educating our young people to perform highly skilled jobs that have associated high value. Aiming for skills that will be in demand over the next 20 - 30 years, not work that will cease to exist.
Instead we should be educating our young people to perform highly skilled jobs that have associated high value. Aiming for skills that will be in demand over the next 20 - 30 years, not work that will cease to exist.
I’m training my 2 year old to program robots to drop string and fluff in the path of robots.
So she can then train another robot to fix the fallen robot
Construction type trades is a safe bet I’d say
I could t get anyone to turn up for a small wall building project that I wanted to do and had the cash, ended up doing it myself.
Would have taken a couple of young men a day and they’d have earns decent cash. I appreciate it’s probably not as lucrative as it appears, maybe
So she can then train another robot to fix the fallen robot
Construction type trades is a safe bet I’d say
I could t get anyone to turn up for a small wall building project that I wanted to do and had the cash, ended up doing it myself.
Would have taken a couple of young men a day and they’d have earns decent cash. I appreciate it’s probably not as lucrative as it appears, maybe
While I think your example is a bit simplistic the idea is sound. My wife's a teacher and works incredibly hard to get kids through their exams, a fair portion of whom just don't care about it at all, they want to go in to a trade, they know where they are heading, getting GCSEs in science and geography aren't what they need.
There should be some technical schools set up, where kids can go and as well as receiving basic lessons in the life skills we all need, basic maths, writing, reading etc. The core syllabus is mechanics, plumbing, groundwork, electrics, brick laying etc. Resulting in a nationally recognised qualification, and at 16 they are ready to drop straight on to a job site and work, granted not at full pay as all manual/skilled jobs need experience as well as knowledge, but just ready to go.
We would probably have kids happier to to to school then, and less issues with them in school.
I will say that this isn't an ideal situation, the last thing you want is kids realising in 10 years time they want more from life, but at the moment so many of these kids are bumming through school and coming out with next to no grades anyway, in the grand scheme of things the difference would be minimal and the advantages potentially substantial. It would also leave the schools for kids that did want to pursue academic grades and they wouldn't have the distractions of disruptive pupils.
There should be some technical schools set up, where kids can go and as well as receiving basic lessons in the life skills we all need, basic maths, writing, reading etc. The core syllabus is mechanics, plumbing, groundwork, electrics, brick laying etc. Resulting in a nationally recognised qualification, and at 16 they are ready to drop straight on to a job site and work, granted not at full pay as all manual/skilled jobs need experience as well as knowledge, but just ready to go.
We would probably have kids happier to to to school then, and less issues with them in school.
I will say that this isn't an ideal situation, the last thing you want is kids realising in 10 years time they want more from life, but at the moment so many of these kids are bumming through school and coming out with next to no grades anyway, in the grand scheme of things the difference would be minimal and the advantages potentially substantial. It would also leave the schools for kids that did want to pursue academic grades and they wouldn't have the distractions of disruptive pupils.
Spare tyre said:
I’m training my 2 year old to program robots to drop string and fluff in the path of robots.
So she can then train another robot to fix the fallen robot
Construction type trades is a safe bet I’d say
You'd be surprised by construction. We can now build entire 'rooms' in a factory and deliver them to site on a truck - all pipework & fittings installed. Guys on site lift them off the truck, and drop them into place, then connect up pipework & electrical fittings. We've been doing this for years with walls & floor cassettes pre-built in factories, whole room was the logical progression and is starting to take off. It's commonly known as modular construction, and is very advanced in Asia-Pac, starting to gain traction over here.So she can then train another robot to fix the fallen robot
Construction type trades is a safe bet I’d say
The factories can be almost fully automated. Here's a sample video of the sort of machine that builds wall sections:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JATOVedK7ps
I worked on designing and setting up something similar for a UK timber frame manufacturer just over a year ago. Their main reason for going this route: "No-one wants jobs nailing things together, we can't enough people to meet demand."
My lad got made redundant from a major trailer manufacturer apprenticeship
within that role he was in different areas, repairs, paint welding etc
now hes got a place at another welding firm and the ability to tig weld has made him pretty invauable,
i dont know where it will take him, or much of the other yoof,
id remain open to retraining and id remain open to getting transferable skills at that age
within that role he was in different areas, repairs, paint welding etc
now hes got a place at another welding firm and the ability to tig weld has made him pretty invauable,
i dont know where it will take him, or much of the other yoof,
id remain open to retraining and id remain open to getting transferable skills at that age
Magnum 475 said:
You'd be surprised by construction. We can now build entire 'rooms' in a factory and deliver them to site on a truck - all pipework & fittings installed. Guys on site lift them off the truck, and drop them into place, then connect up pipework & electrical fittings. We've been doing this for years with walls & floor cassettes pre-built in factories, whole room was the logical progression and is starting to take off. It's commonly known as modular construction, and is very advanced in Asia-Pac, starting to gain traction over here.
The factories can be almost fully automated. Here's a sample video of the sort of machine that builds wall sections:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JATOVedK7ps
I worked on designing and setting up something similar for a UK timber frame manufacturer just over a year ago. Their main reason for going this route: "No-one wants jobs nailing things together, we can't enough people to meet demand."
A couple of years ago a hotel was being built nearby. Each bathroom got delivered as a big box with holes in to plug in the services. Just trundle it round to the corner of what would be a hotel room and connect up water in, water out and electricity.The factories can be almost fully automated. Here's a sample video of the sort of machine that builds wall sections:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JATOVedK7ps
I worked on designing and setting up something similar for a UK timber frame manufacturer just over a year ago. Their main reason for going this route: "No-one wants jobs nailing things together, we can't enough people to meet demand."
Genau said:
Magnum 475 said:
You'd be surprised by construction. We can now build entire 'rooms' in a factory and deliver them to site on a truck - all pipework & fittings installed. Guys on site lift them off the truck, and drop them into place, then connect up pipework & electrical fittings. We've been doing this for years with walls & floor cassettes pre-built in factories, whole room was the logical progression and is starting to take off. It's commonly known as modular construction, and is very advanced in Asia-Pac, starting to gain traction over here.
The factories can be almost fully automated. Here's a sample video of the sort of machine that builds wall sections:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JATOVedK7ps
I worked on designing and setting up something similar for a UK timber frame manufacturer just over a year ago. Their main reason for going this route: "No-one wants jobs nailing things together, we can't enough people to meet demand."
A couple of years ago a hotel was being built nearby. Each bathroom got delivered as a big box with holes in to plug in the services. Just trundle it round to the corner of what would be a hotel room and connect up water in, water out and electricity.The factories can be almost fully automated. Here's a sample video of the sort of machine that builds wall sections:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JATOVedK7ps
I worked on designing and setting up something similar for a UK timber frame manufacturer just over a year ago. Their main reason for going this route: "No-one wants jobs nailing things together, we can't enough people to meet demand."
Genau said:
A couple of years ago a hotel was being built nearby. Each bathroom got delivered as a big box with holes in to plug in the services. Just trundle it round to the corner of what would be a hotel room and connect up water in, water out and electricity.
We bought a house in Highgate many years ago. One very small shower room in the house comprised of two moulded fibreglass panels, bonded together, with shower cubicle, toilet and sink incorporated. Apparently, it had first been installed in a competitor block at the 1972 Munich Olympics. I've no idea how it turned up in north London.
It looked awful. We got rid of it immediately.
wildoliver said:
While I think your example is a bit simplistic the idea is sound. My wife's a teacher and works incredibly hard to get kids through their exams, a fair portion of whom just don't care about it at all, they want to go in to a trade, they know where they are heading, getting GCSEs in science and geography aren't what they need.
There should be some technical schools set up, where kids can go and as well as receiving basic lessons in the life skills we all need, basic maths, writing, reading etc. The core syllabus is mechanics, plumbing, groundwork, electrics, brick laying etc. Resulting in a nationally recognised qualification, and at 16 they are ready to drop straight on to a job site and work, granted not at full pay as all manual/skilled jobs need experience as well as knowledge, but just ready to go.
We would probably have kids happier to to to school then, and less issues with them in school.
I will say that this isn't an ideal situation, the last thing you want is kids realising in 10 years time they want more from life, but at the moment so many of these kids are bumming through school and coming out with next to no grades anyway, in the grand scheme of things the difference would be minimal and the advantages potentially substantial. It would also leave the schools for kids that did want to pursue academic grades and they wouldn't have the distractions of disruptive pupils.
Can you imagine the parents though.There should be some technical schools set up, where kids can go and as well as receiving basic lessons in the life skills we all need, basic maths, writing, reading etc. The core syllabus is mechanics, plumbing, groundwork, electrics, brick laying etc. Resulting in a nationally recognised qualification, and at 16 they are ready to drop straight on to a job site and work, granted not at full pay as all manual/skilled jobs need experience as well as knowledge, but just ready to go.
We would probably have kids happier to to to school then, and less issues with them in school.
I will say that this isn't an ideal situation, the last thing you want is kids realising in 10 years time they want more from life, but at the moment so many of these kids are bumming through school and coming out with next to no grades anyway, in the grand scheme of things the difference would be minimal and the advantages potentially substantial. It would also leave the schools for kids that did want to pursue academic grades and they wouldn't have the distractions of disruptive pupils.
"Why are you giving up on Karismah? She shu git same edunkation as ev'bod nit. Get meh blu'd? Yous all bast'ds keppin uz dun."
wildoliver said:
While I think your example is a bit simplistic the idea is sound. My wife's a teacher and works incredibly hard to get kids through their exams, a fair portion of whom just don't care about it at all, they want to go in to a trade, they know where they are heading, getting GCSEs in science and geography aren't what they need.
There should be some technical schools set up, where kids can go and as well as receiving basic lessons in the life skills we all need, basic maths, writing, reading etc. The core syllabus is mechanics, plumbing, groundwork, electrics, brick laying etc. Resulting in a nationally recognised qualification, and at 16 they are ready to drop straight on to a job site and work, granted not at full pay as all manual/skilled jobs need experience as well as knowledge, but just ready to go.
We would probably have kids happier to to to school then, and less issues with them in school.
I will say that this isn't an ideal situation, the last thing you want is kids realising in 10 years time they want more from life, but at the moment so many of these kids are bumming through school and coming out with next to no grades anyway, in the grand scheme of things the difference would be minimal and the advantages potentially substantial. It would also leave the schools for kids that did want to pursue academic grades and they wouldn't have the distractions of disruptive pupils.
That is almost the system which operated in my years at school - 1960s-1970s. There were Grammar Schools and Secondary Moderns; SMs taught to CSE level but had a much greater emphasis on practical skills and less on academic. Grammars were GCE level - much more difficult to achieve.There should be some technical schools set up, where kids can go and as well as receiving basic lessons in the life skills we all need, basic maths, writing, reading etc. The core syllabus is mechanics, plumbing, groundwork, electrics, brick laying etc. Resulting in a nationally recognised qualification, and at 16 they are ready to drop straight on to a job site and work, granted not at full pay as all manual/skilled jobs need experience as well as knowledge, but just ready to go.
We would probably have kids happier to to to school then, and less issues with them in school.
I will say that this isn't an ideal situation, the last thing you want is kids realising in 10 years time they want more from life, but at the moment so many of these kids are bumming through school and coming out with next to no grades anyway, in the grand scheme of things the difference would be minimal and the advantages potentially substantial. It would also leave the schools for kids that did want to pursue academic grades and they wouldn't have the distractions of disruptive pupils.
Looking back now, you would have to ask 'Was it such a bad thing?' because the system pretty-much catered for all levels.
Part of me feels very sorry for the current generation.
When I was a kid you had options, yes, you had shop work, probably some warehouse stuff, but you also had factories, the forces, places where you could do different things without being qualified, you could work up.
What on earth can you really do beyond packing, picking etc in a bloody warehouse, yet in most towns (especially those Thatcher consigned to the bin in the 80's) that is likely all there is. And with shops closing relentlessly, and pubs etc all highly likely to be massively affected there is nothing but supermarkets and warehouses, what option is that for any kid who maybe did not achieve at school, it's pretty bloody bleak I'd say.
You can totally see why some folk just go black market economy and say chuff it.
When I was a kid you had options, yes, you had shop work, probably some warehouse stuff, but you also had factories, the forces, places where you could do different things without being qualified, you could work up.
What on earth can you really do beyond packing, picking etc in a bloody warehouse, yet in most towns (especially those Thatcher consigned to the bin in the 80's) that is likely all there is. And with shops closing relentlessly, and pubs etc all highly likely to be massively affected there is nothing but supermarkets and warehouses, what option is that for any kid who maybe did not achieve at school, it's pretty bloody bleak I'd say.
You can totally see why some folk just go black market economy and say chuff it.
Magnum 475 said:
Instead we should be educating our young people to perform highly skilled jobs that have associated high value. Aiming for skills that will be in demand over the next 20 - 30 years, not work that will cease to exist.
A laudable aim, but how do you persuade the yoof to train in marketable skills rather than McDegrees? My brother whilst working as a college lecturer was sent out to Germany to assess their ‘youth guarantee’ system and the possibilities of implementing similar for his employers.
The basics are Colleges and employers working closely together, to assure jobs for European NEET’s.
They have an assessment tool, whereby skills and capabilities are worked out and then a career path is effectively created. The youth concerned is then assigned a particular role, trained for it and then employed to that role. There’s not a lot left by the way of individual choice, if you’re not working and could be good as a brickie? That’s what you’re doing. Show you could clean and make beds in a hotel? You’re a chambermaid. It’s a very forced system, but it seems to work.
In terms of implementing in the UK, we have a mindset issue over here that’s almost impossible to tackle. There’s a generational issue of people that won’t work and are actively encouraging their children not to work.
Back to GSCE’s, it’s unacceptable that children are not taught money management and real world skills. The once size fits none approach we currently have doesn’t work.
The basics are Colleges and employers working closely together, to assure jobs for European NEET’s.
They have an assessment tool, whereby skills and capabilities are worked out and then a career path is effectively created. The youth concerned is then assigned a particular role, trained for it and then employed to that role. There’s not a lot left by the way of individual choice, if you’re not working and could be good as a brickie? That’s what you’re doing. Show you could clean and make beds in a hotel? You’re a chambermaid. It’s a very forced system, but it seems to work.
In terms of implementing in the UK, we have a mindset issue over here that’s almost impossible to tackle. There’s a generational issue of people that won’t work and are actively encouraging their children not to work.
Back to GSCE’s, it’s unacceptable that children are not taught money management and real world skills. The once size fits none approach we currently have doesn’t work.
bristolbaron said:
They have an assessment tool, whereby skills and capabilities are worked out and then a career path is effectively created. The youth concerned is then assigned a particular role, trained for it and then employed to that role. There’s not a lot left by the way of individual choice, if you’re not working and could be good as a brickie? That’s what you’re doing. Show you could clean and make beds in a hotel? You’re a chambermaid. It’s a very forced system, but it seems to work.
I'm assuming should you be lined up to be trained as a brickie, and off your own back find work as a chamber maid, then you are free to go and do the job you got.Genau said:
Magnum 475 said:
You'd be surprised by construction. We can now build entire 'rooms' in a factory and deliver them to site on a truck - all pipework & fittings installed. Guys on site lift them off the truck, and drop them into place, then connect up pipework & electrical fittings. We've been doing this for years with walls & floor cassettes pre-built in factories, whole room was the logical progression and is starting to take off. It's commonly known as modular construction, and is very advanced in Asia-Pac, starting to gain traction over here.
The factories can be almost fully automated. Here's a sample video of the sort of machine that builds wall sections:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JATOVedK7ps
I worked on designing and setting up something similar for a UK timber frame manufacturer just over a year ago. Their main reason for going this route: "No-one wants jobs nailing things together, we can't enough people to meet demand."
A couple of years ago a hotel was being built nearby. Each bathroom got delivered as a big box with holes in to plug in the services. Just trundle it round to the corner of what would be a hotel room and connect up water in, water out and electricity.The factories can be almost fully automated. Here's a sample video of the sort of machine that builds wall sections:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JATOVedK7ps
I worked on designing and setting up something similar for a UK timber frame manufacturer just over a year ago. Their main reason for going this route: "No-one wants jobs nailing things together, we can't enough people to meet demand."
Johnnytheboy said:
Magnum 475 said:
Instead we should be educating our young people to perform highly skilled jobs that have associated high value. Aiming for skills that will be in demand over the next 20 - 30 years, not work that will cease to exist.
A laudable aim, but how do you persuade the yoof to train in marketable skills rather than McDegrees? When I left school I was earning £2 p/h as an apprentice, someone I had been at school with was working in a warehouse on £4 p/h, even then I knew to play the long game.
Warehousing is somewhere around minimum wage these days? Precision engineering pays a lot more...
The difficult bit is convincing school leavers to think long term, a year is an absolute age when you're 16 so trying to talk a school leaver into a 4 or 5 year commitment is a tough task.
If I was in charge I would bring back apprenticeships that started at 14 with a couple of days a week at college, one day to do with the apprenticeship and the other just maths, english and basic life skills.
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