Employer forcing vaccine
Discussion
Can an employer force or make it difficult for you to have the vaccine basically have couple of instances where a couple of friends different employers making it difficult for a couple of under 30 year olds not necessarily refusing but want to wait 6 months or so to see how or if there are many adverse reactions one girl recorded the conversation on her mobile bordering on bullying
MKnight702 said:
If the employer has found a way to make the vaccine available, why on earth wouldn't you take it? Especially, since I imagine that in order for the employer to be in a position to provide the vaccine the role is likely frontline health services or similar.
You would think so wouldn't you.From the BBC
"Lower proportions of black and Asian staff at a hospital trust have come forward to have a Covid-19 vaccine, according to a study.
The analysis found 70.9% of white staff at the University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust had received the jab, compared with 58.5% of South Asian staff and 36.8% of black staff."
The jab has been available to the 19,000 staff from mid December
You would think that the staff there would have to have it, but obviously not.
The law isn't clear cut though there exist provision for certain jobs to require inoculation against certain things (such as working internationally).
I think this is going to play out more and more over the coming months and will at some point be tested in law.
My current thinking is to side with the employer. A company has a moral and legal obligation to protect the well being of staff, customers and the wider public as well as the bottom line. Somebody choosing not to get vaccinated can place all these things at risk.
Where it gets tricky is that certain faith groups do not accept medical intervention and the protection of faith and culture tends to override all else.
I no longer employ people but if I did, I would be re-writing the company handbook to state the requirement that all staff are inoculated - but then I wouldn't employ staff who would have the propensity to develop such a daft view in the first place.
I think this is going to play out more and more over the coming months and will at some point be tested in law.
My current thinking is to side with the employer. A company has a moral and legal obligation to protect the well being of staff, customers and the wider public as well as the bottom line. Somebody choosing not to get vaccinated can place all these things at risk.
Where it gets tricky is that certain faith groups do not accept medical intervention and the protection of faith and culture tends to override all else.
I no longer employ people but if I did, I would be re-writing the company handbook to state the requirement that all staff are inoculated - but then I wouldn't employ staff who would have the propensity to develop such a daft view in the first place.
StevieBee said:
My current thinking is to side with the employer. A company has a moral and legal obligation to protect the well being of staff, customers and the wider public as well as the bottom line. Somebody choosing not to get vaccinated can place all these things at risk.
The discussions I have been involved in are along the same lines as the use of safety equipment to protect yourself, colleagues and the general public. Failure to not use the equipment would be deemed gross misconduct and therefore could result in dismissal. Employers will have to show a risk assessment concluding the requirement for vaccination, but as you say, I think most will fall on the side of risk aversion.Jasey_ said:
deckster said:
Shame. Surely there's a case for letting a vaccine refuser go purely on the grounds of being terminally thick?
You would have thought so !Jasey_ said:
deckster said:
Jasandjules said:
Stev8s said:
Can an employer force or make it difficult for you to have the vaccine
Not as yet. You really think you have the right to force someone to have a medical treatment because it suits your own myopic world view. Have a look at yourselves.
Jasey_ said:
deckster said:
Jasandjules said:
Stev8s said:
Can an employer force or make it difficult for you to have the vaccine
Not as yet. Why is it that those for the vaccine think anyone who doesn't want it is fick?
I do hope that if vaccines are forced in the name of workplace safety that smokers are fired, unhealthy food eaters are fired, people who drive are fired (because people die in vehicle accidents), people who drink alcohol are fired, anyone fat is fired, anyone who doesn't exercise is fired, anyone who is stressed is fired (due to risk of heart attack etc.) and anyone who gets ill is fired.
funkyrobot said:
I do hope that if vaccines are forced in the name of workplace safety that smokers are fired, unhealthy food eaters are fired, people who drive are fired (because people die in vehicle accidents), people who drink alcohol are fired, anyone fat is fired, anyone who doesn't exercise is fired, anyone who is stressed is fired (due to risk of heart attack etc.) and anyone who gets ill is fired.
Yes. Because all these things are entirely equivalent 
No one will be forced to take the vaccine. Fact. Force means against their will.
Many people will be required to have the vaccine to continue their role. Like having a driving license, or other certification. Then it's a wilful decision to not have the vaccine and end your own employment.
Where that line is drawn I'm sure will be clarified by the courts in the coming weeks/months/years as more than one employer will try to enforce their position. It's certainly justifiable in some circumstances.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z8fkmsg/revi...
Many people will be required to have the vaccine to continue their role. Like having a driving license, or other certification. Then it's a wilful decision to not have the vaccine and end your own employment.
Where that line is drawn I'm sure will be clarified by the courts in the coming weeks/months/years as more than one employer will try to enforce their position. It's certainly justifiable in some circumstances.
funkyrobot said:
Wow. What a ridiculous way to think.
Why is it that those for the vaccine think anyone who doesn't want it is fick?
I do hope that if vaccines are forced in the name of workplace safety that smokers are fired, unhealthy food eaters are fired, people who drive are fired (because people die in vehicle accidents), people who drink alcohol are fired, anyone fat is fired, anyone who doesn't exercise is fired, anyone who is stressed is fired (due to risk of heart attack etc.) and anyone who gets ill is fired.
You don't know what herd immunity is, do you? Try GCSE biology.Why is it that those for the vaccine think anyone who doesn't want it is fick?
I do hope that if vaccines are forced in the name of workplace safety that smokers are fired, unhealthy food eaters are fired, people who drive are fired (because people die in vehicle accidents), people who drink alcohol are fired, anyone fat is fired, anyone who doesn't exercise is fired, anyone who is stressed is fired (due to risk of heart attack etc.) and anyone who gets ill is fired.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z8fkmsg/revi...
deckster said:
funkyrobot said:
I do hope that if vaccines are forced in the name of workplace safety that smokers are fired, unhealthy food eaters are fired, people who drive are fired (because people die in vehicle accidents), people who drink alcohol are fired, anyone fat is fired, anyone who doesn't exercise is fired, anyone who is stressed is fired (due to risk of heart attack etc.) and anyone who gets ill is fired.
Yes. Because all these things are entirely equivalent If you say that everyone needs to be vaccinated in the workplace to protect them, why not apply that logic to the multitude of other issues that can affect people?
Evanivitch said:
No one will be forced to take the vaccine. Fact. Force means against their will.
Many people will be required to have the vaccine to continue their role. Like having a driving license, or other certification. Then it's a wilful decision to not have the vaccine and end your own employment.
Where that line is drawn I'm sure will be clarified by the courts in the coming weeks/months/years as more than one employer will try to enforce their position. It's certainly justifiable in some circumstances.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z8fkmsg/revi...
I dont think the WHO even know what herd immunity is. They changed their definition recently.Many people will be required to have the vaccine to continue their role. Like having a driving license, or other certification. Then it's a wilful decision to not have the vaccine and end your own employment.
Where that line is drawn I'm sure will be clarified by the courts in the coming weeks/months/years as more than one employer will try to enforce their position. It's certainly justifiable in some circumstances.
funkyrobot said:
Wow. What a ridiculous way to think.
Why is it that those for the vaccine think anyone who doesn't want it is fick?
I do hope that if vaccines are forced in the name of workplace safety that smokers are fired, unhealthy food eaters are fired, people who drive are fired (because people die in vehicle accidents), people who drink alcohol are fired, anyone fat is fired, anyone who doesn't exercise is fired, anyone who is stressed is fired (due to risk of heart attack etc.) and anyone who gets ill is fired.
You don't know what herd immunity is, do you? Try GCSE biology.Why is it that those for the vaccine think anyone who doesn't want it is fick?
I do hope that if vaccines are forced in the name of workplace safety that smokers are fired, unhealthy food eaters are fired, people who drive are fired (because people die in vehicle accidents), people who drink alcohol are fired, anyone fat is fired, anyone who doesn't exercise is fired, anyone who is stressed is fired (due to risk of heart attack etc.) and anyone who gets ill is fired.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z8fkmsg/revi...
As for saying they will need the vaccine to do their role, that is coercion. Pretty similar to being forced into it.
funkyrobot said:
Why?
If you say that everyone needs to be vaccinated in the workplace to protect them, why not apply that logic to the multitude of other issues that can affect people?
Pure whataboutery. I am only replying to make it clear that I am ignoring your nonsensical arguments.If you say that everyone needs to be vaccinated in the workplace to protect them, why not apply that logic to the multitude of other issues that can affect people?
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