Current pay for very different sectors and roles
Discussion
I am currently looking for work, as someone in my early sixties I am somewhat limited.
However, I have noticed somethong quite disturbing.
You can earn more as a coffee shop worker or store assistant, than you would as a clinical support worker or X-ray imaging worker in an NHS trust. Also, you would only be earning £1K more as a fully trained and experienced phlebotomist in a hospital.
No wonder the NHS has so many job vacancies.
However, I have noticed somethong quite disturbing.
You can earn more as a coffee shop worker or store assistant, than you would as a clinical support worker or X-ray imaging worker in an NHS trust. Also, you would only be earning £1K more as a fully trained and experienced phlebotomist in a hospital.
No wonder the NHS has so many job vacancies.
LostM135idriver said:
Public sector pay freeze…
I have to say that I am seeing more and more of these sub £20K jobs in the NHS - Urgent care workers, trained Audiologists on £25K, plant science research scientist £19K.I was earning £19K back in 1992, really depressing to see how wages have been driven down over the last decade.
Tommo87 said:
How do the pension contributions and other benefits stack up between a clinical worker and a Barista?
I would hope that the public sector pension makes up the difference and then some.
Not many young folk think about pensions though with house prices/student debt/inflation of goods etc they need the money now not when their 67. Also i would imagine a clinical worker in the NHS needs more skills, works longer hours and takes on far greater responsibility than someone making coffee and Teas. If they are both earning the same no wonder the NHS has a staffing crisis.I would hope that the public sector pension makes up the difference and then some.
jrock78 said:
Not many young folk think about pensions though with house prices/student debt/inflation of goods etc they need the money now not when their 67.
Daughter works in the NHS* and very few of her colleagues are in the pension scheme. Couple of reasons; they reckon they need the £300/mth their contribution would be and they believe the pension will be watered down or have its payment date pushed out etc. The scheme has changed 3 times in the last few years and I think there's another change coming up..*I don't know how common this is for clinical staff but she's not actually employed by the NHS any more. Her department was transferred to one of these weird external non-proft companies that supplies services to the NHS, whose raison d'être is completely lost on me. Everyone got tuped across but if they change roles they lose their NHS T's & C's including being switched to more standard private sector pension. A lot of staff have left because they want to work for the NHS, not some random company.
andyA700 said:
I am currently looking for work, as someone in my early sixties I am somewhat limited.
However, I have noticed somethong quite disturbing.
You can earn more as a coffee shop worker or store assistant, than you would as a clinical support worker or X-ray imaging worker in an NHS trust. Also, you would only be earning £1K more as a fully trained and experienced phlebotomist in a hospital.
No wonder the NHS has so many job vacancies.
I know we're supposed to view NHS workers as angels and go outside to clap everytime one of them takes a sHowever, I have noticed somethong quite disturbing.
You can earn more as a coffee shop worker or store assistant, than you would as a clinical support worker or X-ray imaging worker in an NHS trust. Also, you would only be earning £1K more as a fully trained and experienced phlebotomist in a hospital.
No wonder the NHS has so many job vacancies.
t, but is a role of a phlebotomist really much more difficult than being a barista?https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/wid...
to be honest, if you add in the heating of toasties, i think barista is more complex
Tommo87 said:
How do the pension contributions and other benefits stack up between a clinical worker and a Barista?
I would hope that the public sector pension makes up the difference and then some.
The pension contributions are good but not as good as they used to be. the worst part of it is that you have to deal with the Public. That in itself should attract a premium!I would hope that the public sector pension makes up the difference and then some.
Sheepshanks said:
Daughter works in the NHS* and very few of her colleagues are in the pension scheme. Couple of reasons; they reckon they need the £300/mth their contribution would be and they believe the pension will be watered down or have its payment date pushed out etc. The scheme has changed 3 times in the last few years and I think there's another change coming up.
.*I don't know how common this is for clinical staff but she's not actually employed by the NHS any more. Her department was transferred to one of these weird external non-proft companies that supplies services to the NHS, whose raison d'être is completely lost on me. Everyone got tuped across but if they change roles they lose their NHS T's & C's including being switched to more standard private sector pension. A lot of staff have left because they want to work for the NHS, not some random company.
This pretty much hits the nail on the head. Yes, the pension may be more generous in the public sector but to suffer low wages for an entire career just to get a better pension at state retirement agent is not a benefit that many need nor want when they can't afford to pay their bills or even live on their own. The personal contribution to the scheme is a fairly high percentage..*I don't know how common this is for clinical staff but she's not actually employed by the NHS any more. Her department was transferred to one of these weird external non-proft companies that supplies services to the NHS, whose raison d'être is completely lost on me. Everyone got tuped across but if they change roles they lose their NHS T's & C's including being switched to more standard private sector pension. A lot of staff have left because they want to work for the NHS, not some random company.
I spent 10 years with the NHS and whilst I had a good career there getting paid 50% of what I could get in the private sector, it was a no-brainer. My pension will amount to much the same in my hand at the end of my career due to the higher wages but lower employee \ employer contributions, but I have far more disposable income during my career than I would have had whilst staying with the NHS.
The NHS like many government institutions has become the home for many of the work-shy and incompetent in the last 20 years, it's incredibly difficult to get rid of them as well.
I have friends and family that still work in the NHS and it's clear that issue is getting worse rather than better.
Worth remembering are you comparing apples with apples? Sit in an NHS job a couple of years & you’ll go up a pay scale (as well as any inflationary increase)
This doesn’t happen in the barista world where rises are likely only inflationary.
https://www.nhsbands.co.uk/
I would guess that which role falls into which band is based on complexity of the role etc (it was still an interesting read on that link though)
This doesn’t happen in the barista world where rises are likely only inflationary.
https://www.nhsbands.co.uk/
I would guess that which role falls into which band is based on complexity of the role etc (it was still an interesting read on that link though)
AndyAudi said:
Worth remembering are you comparing apples with apples? Sit in an NHS job a couple of years & you’ll go up a pay scale (as well as any inflationary increase)
This doesn’t happen in the barista world where rises are likely only inflationary.
https://www.nhsbands.co.uk/
I would guess that which role falls into which band is based on complexity of the role etc (it was still an interesting read on that link though)
Did you actually look at the link at the sort of band level the OP is talking about? I'm going to say no, or you wouldn't have posted it.This doesn’t happen in the barista world where rises are likely only inflationary.
https://www.nhsbands.co.uk/
I would guess that which role falls into which band is based on complexity of the role etc (it was still an interesting read on that link though)
Sheepshanks said:
Did you actually look at the link at the sort of band level the OP is talking about? I'm going to say no, or you wouldn't have posted it.
Yep He said“You can earn more as a coffee shop worker or store assistant, than you would as a clinical support worker”
Pay is always an emotive issue however a clinical support worker can earn £21,777 which is about £11.17hr on the NHS 37.5hr week. More than most coffee shop/store assistants earn near me.
zippy3x said:
I know we're supposed to view NHS workers as angels and go outside to clap everytime one of them takes a st, but is a role of a phlebotomist really much more difficult than being a barista?
https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/wid...
to be honest, if you add in the heating of toasties, i think barista is more complex
Love this reply as it's incredibly hard to disagree with it. t, but is a role of a phlebotomist really much more difficult than being a barista?https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/wid...
to be honest, if you add in the heating of toasties, i think barista is more complex
Whilst the NHS provides a pay increment every year the employee is there, irrespespective of performance, they'll always be f
ked. Tommo87 said:
How do the pension contributions and other benefits stack up between a clinical worker and a Barista?
I would hope that the public sector pension makes up the difference and then some.
I know a good number of nhs staff who have opted out of the pension scheme over the last 3 or 4 years, because of the effect of the pay freeze after the banking crisis - ir was the only way they could make enough take home to make ends meetI would hope that the public sector pension makes up the difference and then some.
zippy3x said:
I know we're supposed to view NHS workers as angels and go outside to clap everytime one of them takes a st, but is a role of a phlebotomist really much more difficult than being a barista?
https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/wid...
to be honest, if you add in the heating of toasties, i think barista is more complex
You are taking the p**** surely!!t, but is a role of a phlebotomist really much more difficult than being a barista?https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/wid...
to be honest, if you add in the heating of toasties, i think barista is more complex
Have you ever had blood taken or done it??
Phlebotomists are amounts some of the most important and clinically indispensable roles in the NHS. Without them I literally wouldn't be able to do my job, as I would be the one taking your blood.....and trust me I would rather have my blood taken by a phlebotomist any other clinical staff!
gangzoom said:
zippy3x said:
I know we're supposed to view NHS workers as angels and go outside to clap everytime one of them takes a st, but is a role of a phlebotomist really much more difficult than being a barista?
https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/wid...
to be honest, if you add in the heating of toasties, i think barista is more complex
You are taking the p**** surely!!t, but is a role of a phlebotomist really much more difficult than being a barista?https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/wid...
to be honest, if you add in the heating of toasties, i think barista is more complex
Have you ever had blood taken or done it??
Phlebotomists are amounts some of the most important and clinically indispensable roles in the NHS. Without them I literally wouldn't be able to do my job, as I would be the one taking your blood.....and trust me I would rather have my blood taken by a phlebotomist any other clinical staff!
p4cks said:
Love this reply as it's incredibly hard to disagree with it.
Whilst the NHS provides a pay increment every year the employee is there, irrespespective of performance, they'll always be fked.
The NHS does not provide a pay increment every year; see pay band link provided by a poster earlierWhilst the NHS provides a pay increment every year the employee is there, irrespespective of performance, they'll always be f
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