advice - 4 week notice

[Mirinjawbro]

after some advice please

started a job (contract) which unfortunately was only there for 2.5 weeks before being offered a perm role elsewhere (interviews same time)

i said sorry, heres my 4 week notice (as per contract - double checked) i will work my notice if needed (also in writing)

later that day my PC was blocked out off use.

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current day

- we need to collect your laptop

you can when we've discussed options for my notice any agreement etc

- your employment has been terminated - as you are a contractor you only get paid hours you worked, therefore you are not owed anything


my argument -

i gave a 4 week notice as per signed contract - i offered to work it - YOU have blocked me

they are sticking to there guns, demanding laptop and 0 pay

what can i do?

[Carbon Sasquatch]

Will your new employer let you start earlier ?

[StevieBee]

Give them back their lap top and suck it up.

Life's too short to bother with a few week's pay.

Contract or not, to bail after less than three weeks will cause the company some operational issues and costs. Avoiding being an additional issue to them may well reward you in the future.

[Beetnik]

StevieBee said:

Give them back their lap top and suck it up.

Life's too short to bother with a few week's pay.

Contract or not, to bail after less than three weeks will cause the company some operational issues and costs. Avoiding being an additional issue to them may well reward you in the future.

This.

[Mirinjawbro]

anonymous said:

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both 4 weeks

i understand iv'e not been there long and its a cost to them.

its the way its been done.

i offered to work the 4 weeks notice . i also said we could come to an agreement, eg, id of taken just a week notice.

its the way its been done

[Mirinjawbro]

StevieBee said:

Give them back their lap top and suck it up.

Life's too short to bother with a few week's pay.

Contract or not, to bail after less than three weeks will cause the company some operational issues and costs. Avoiding being an additional issue to them may well reward you in the future.

i understand the costs and time wasted. i also offered to come to an agreement as discussed.

sadly karma does not exist. if it did kids wouldn't be born with cancer. saville would not of died a free man. the world would be a far better place

to get to the top in IT at least you gotta be ruthless .

[Mirinjawbro]

anonymous said:

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would you brush this away for 4-5k and just hand it back.

i'm sure the other way round if id been there a year or two theyd want me to work to the very end.

[Mirinjawbro]

which i was. not a nice thing of course.

a perm job came up, sorry bills to pay that's just how it is sometimes, i've been r4ped many times the other way round. they don't like it when it happens to them.

quite surprised how few share my thoughts.

thankyou anyway

[Piersman2]

Are you working through an agency or direct?

It sounds like you are correct contractually based on the shared equal notice periods (probably the one thing I check when reading a new contract, I don't mind what the notice period is, but it must be equal), but are they invoking some other clause to terminate?

I had similar a few years back, been working on a project for 5 months or so away from home, wasn't enjoying it and a previous client contacted me to see if I could go back. I put my 4 weeks notice in and the client spat the dummy and would only pay up what I had timesheeted. They came up with some bks about how little I had produced and used that as an excuse.

I had a chat with the agency and basically agreed to write it off and move on, it meant I could start the new role sooner which was paying more money anyways and I got a proper 2 week break in for a change.

P.S. in your position, with just 2.5 weeks under my belt, I think I'd be happy they paid that and just let me go. You haven't been there long enough to have been of much value to them, and why should they spend another 4 weeks 'training' someone up for the role that they'e not going to fulfill?

Edited by Piersman2 on Monday 10th January 19:57

[Mirinjawbro]

Piersman2 said:

Are you working through an agency or direct?

It sounds like you are correct contractually based on the shared equal notice periods (probably the one thing I check when reading a new contract, I don't mind what the notice period is, but it must be equal), but are they invoking some other clause to terminate?

I had similar a few years back, been working on a project for 5 months or so away from home, wasn't enjoying it and a previous client contacted me to see if I could go back. I put my 4 weeks notice in and the client spat the dummy and would only pay up what I had timesheeted. They came up with some bks about how little I had produced and used that as an excuse.

I had a chat with the agency and basically agreed to write it off and move on, it meant I could start the new role sooner which was paying more money anyways and I got a proper 2 week break in for a change.

P.S. in your position, with just 2.5 weeks under my belt, I think I'd be happy they paid that and just let me go. You haven't been there long enough to have been of much value to them, and why should they spend another 4 weeks 'training' someone up for the role that they'e not going to fulfill?

Edited by Piersman2 on Monday 10th January 19:57

yep, agreed

i wasn't expecting the 4 weeks pay. that's why i offered to work the notice on any adhoc work they wanted. i also said id come to an agreement about the 4 weeks, happily take just a week or whatever

however, access was blocked, "contractors only get paid for the hours they work, as we have terminated your contract you are owed nothing", exact words.

well, can you terminate someone whos given notice without proper means?

[UpTheIron]

What does your contract actually say?

I doubt you have a leg to stand on.

[Mirinjawbro]

Notice period for Contractor to terminate Assignment - 4 weeks
Notice period for LSP to terminate Assignment - 4 weeks
Specific Insurance Requirement N/A

further down


By accepting this document, you are agreeing to be bound by the terms and
conditions detailed within the main body of (the Agreement).


then signature here by the company and the umbrella company.

[Dromedary66]

I can see why they don't want you to keep working and being paid, being so new to the environment I doubt you'd be bringing any value at the start.

[Mirinjawbro]

correct. again why i mentioned if any adhoc work wanted doing.

however, thats also no my fault is it?

we all signed a contract which states 4 weeks notice. there is no mention of probation or any period.

[Pothole]

Only you can say if it's worth it to you to fight it (and how would you propose to do that?) If you think it is, go ahead. As presented it sounds like you'd just be wasting your time, but be "ruthless" if you feel like you need to. That also sounds like utter bks, by the way, and I sincerely hope our paths never cross in an employment scenario.

[Mirinjawbro]

Pothole said:

Only you can say if it's worth it to you to fight it (and how would you propose to do that?) If you think it is, go ahead. As presented it sounds like you'd just be wasting your time, but be "ruthless" if you feel like you need to. That also sounds like utter bks, by the way, and I sincerely hope our paths never cross in an employment scenario.

im just asking where i stand, you can stop crying now.

as above mentioned many times, i wouldn't expect or asking for a full months pay, that's not fair.

what i don't like is the instant dismissal or any discussion around how this will end.

i bet you've had your jab? just one of those people who just say leave it and give in. no wonder this world is going down the drain

[Pothole]

Mirinjawbro said:

im just asking where i stand, you can stop crying now.

as above mentioned many times, i wouldn't expect or asking for a full months pay, that's not fair.

what i don't like is the instant dismissal or any discussion around how this will end.

i bet you've had your jab? just one of those people who just say leave it and give in. no wonder this world is going down the drain

Careful, dear, your ruthlessness is showing.

[Superleg48]

Mirinjawbro said:

im just asking where i stand, you can stop crying now.

as above mentioned many times, i wouldn't expect or asking for a full months pay, that's not fair.

what i don't like is the instant dismissal or any discussion around how this will end.

i bet you've had your jab? just one of those people who just say leave it and give in. no wonder this world is going down the drain

And in that last sentence you have destroyed any credibility you may have had up to this point. Good luck in your future endeavours.

[boombang]

Thinking out loud - if you are a contractor you are not employed, only contracted to supply labour or fulfill the contracted assignment.

You therefore don't have a 4 week notice as an employee nor have any employment to terminate, surely? Just a 4 week notice to stop supplying the contracted labour or work on any assignment. On that basis your comeback is breach of contract? Tough one to sort when you cannot work as they cut off access.

Can't see that getting resolved cleanly.

[Mirinjawbro]

boombang said:

Thinking out loud - if you are a contractor you are not employed, only contracted to supply labour or fulfill the contracted assignment.

You therefore don't have a 4 week notice as an employee nor have any employment to terminate, surely? Just a 4 week notice to stop supplying the contracted labour or work on any assignment. On that basis your comeback is breach of contract? Tough one to sort when you cannot work as they cut off access.

Can't see that getting resolved cleanly.

thankyou for a sensible answer.

i've assumed all along i wouldn't get anything, just wasn't sure where i stood.

as discussed id of been happy to help them for the 4 weeks, or take a week and be done.

only bit i didn't understand was why sign a 4 week notice period which can then be cut with immediate effect

thanklyou