Retraction of a job offer & compensation NHS
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The Mrs was formally interviewed and offered a promotion before Christmas, this job offer has now been withdrawn as apparently there is no longer funding for it and poor management change over resulted in the job being offered in the first place. Senior management (above team level) have indicated there will be some sort of financial compensation offered as a result of this shambles.
I suspect they have just changed their mind about the department structure and the funding withdrawal is just them cooking up any old excuse that is semi plausible. At the end of the day, she will have to suck it up and carry on in her current role which she has enjoyed for many years
The current management team is a shambles, behind their back the two who lead the team are nicknamed 'dangerous' & 'incompetent' so I suspect their roles as 'leaders' is going to be short lived but that is another issue.
Is there any standardised financial offer in the NHS for this scenario or is she lucky to be getting anything? we aren't talking management, this is a band 4 to band 5 role for an employee that has been with the trust for over 25 years.
I suggested floating the whole charade via the union to see what their take on it is but to be honest I don't think it will get her anywhere. Equally they shouldn't be allowed to walk all over her.
Thoughts?
I suspect they have just changed their mind about the department structure and the funding withdrawal is just them cooking up any old excuse that is semi plausible. At the end of the day, she will have to suck it up and carry on in her current role which she has enjoyed for many years
The current management team is a shambles, behind their back the two who lead the team are nicknamed 'dangerous' & 'incompetent' so I suspect their roles as 'leaders' is going to be short lived but that is another issue.
Is there any standardised financial offer in the NHS for this scenario or is she lucky to be getting anything? we aren't talking management, this is a band 4 to band 5 role for an employee that has been with the trust for over 25 years.
I suggested floating the whole charade via the union to see what their take on it is but to be honest I don't think it will get her anywhere. Equally they shouldn't be allowed to walk all over her.
Thoughts?
why on earth should she get any compensation?
how has she been financially disadvantaged?
In the real world ( commercial ) if they offer you a job, and then if they withdraw the offer for whatever reason - that's the end of it, you suck it up, and move on. Or if you have handed in your notice there might be some payment in lieu of notice. But also probably not.
how has she been financially disadvantaged?
In the real world ( commercial ) if they offer you a job, and then if they withdraw the offer for whatever reason - that's the end of it, you suck it up, and move on. Or if you have handed in your notice there might be some payment in lieu of notice. But also probably not.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
why on earth should she get any compensation?
how has she been financially disadvantaged?
In the real world ( commercial ) if they offer you a job, and then if they withdraw the offer for whatever reason - that's the end of it, you suck it up, and move on. Or if you have handed in your notice there might be some payment in lieu of notice. But also probably not.
A formal job offer was made & new contract issued. 1.5K difference in starting salary and NHS band 5 extends up to 32k incrementally with additional years service. Band 4 ceiling is several thousand less. No issue with notice as she will continue in the role she has currently within the same Trust.how has she been financially disadvantaged?
In the real world ( commercial ) if they offer you a job, and then if they withdraw the offer for whatever reason - that's the end of it, you suck it up, and move on. Or if you have handed in your notice there might be some payment in lieu of notice. But also probably not.
I'm sorry as I'm going to have to sound like a 
...
However I'd be ashamed to post something like this!
What, why and how should she get anything?
Does she still have her old job, is that at risk?
Where is this compensation coming from do you think, the magical money tree?
Sorry, happy to be called a, but there you go!
Actually you know what, I've edited this to add....
Yes mate I think she's been robbed, it would have been better to give her the job, then bin her off when the money ran out!
...However I'd be ashamed to post something like this!
What, why and how should she get anything?
Does she still have her old job, is that at risk?
Where is this compensation coming from do you think, the magical money tree?
Sorry, happy to be called a
, but there you go!Actually you know what, I've edited this to add....
Yes mate I think she's been robbed, it would have been better to give her the job, then bin her off when the money ran out!
dundarach said:
I'm sorry as I'm going to have to sound like a ...
However I'd be ashamed to post something like this!
What, why and how should she get anything?
Does she still have her old job, is that at risk?
Where is this compensation coming from do you think, the magical money tree?
Sorry, happy to be called a, but there you go!
Actually you know what, I've edited this to add....
Yes mate I think she's been robbed, it would have been better to give her the job, then bin her off when the money ran out!
This, she still has a job, has lost nothing because she never commenced the new role and the first thing you think of is compo? ...However I'd be ashamed to post something like this!
What, why and how should she get anything?
Does she still have her old job, is that at risk?
Where is this compensation coming from do you think, the magical money tree?
Sorry, happy to be called a
, but there you go!Actually you know what, I've edited this to add....
Yes mate I think she's been robbed, it would have been better to give her the job, then bin her off when the money ran out!
Why not ring the Daily Mail, I'm sure they'll run it with a photo of you both with your wife in her NHS uniform with her best compo face on display.
Your post says far more about you than it does about incompetent NHS management.........
shep1001 said:
I suggested floating the whole charade via the union to see what their take on it is but to be honest I don't think it will get her anywhere. Equally they shouldn't be allowed to walk all over her.
Thoughts?
I’d suggest her union would take a more supportive stance on the matter than the taxpayers funding it! Thoughts?
Having been issued a contract, then she probably has got somewhere to go with it. How far she pushes for how much is up to her, personally I’d refuse the compensation to see it go to better use or direct it back into health related charities.
dundarach said:
I'm sorry as I'm going to have to sound like a ...
However I'd be ashamed to post something like this!
What, why and how should she get anything?
Does she still have her old job, is that at risk?
Where is this compensation coming from do you think, the magical money tree?
Sorry, happy to be called a, but there you go!
Actually you know what, I've edited this to add....
Yes mate I think she's been robbed, it would have been better to give her the job, then bin her off when the money ran out!
The Trust indicated they would compensate her, she wasn't chasing it. I suspect it wouldn't be much I was simply curious as to if this had arisen before. Given the money the Trust spunks up the wall on useless & ineffective management, a few quid is nothing. ...However I'd be ashamed to post something like this!
What, why and how should she get anything?
Does she still have her old job, is that at risk?
Where is this compensation coming from do you think, the magical money tree?
Sorry, happy to be called a
, but there you go!Actually you know what, I've edited this to add....
Yes mate I think she's been robbed, it would have been better to give her the job, then bin her off when the money ran out!
Yes, I know it comes out of our pockets and yes my annual tax bill is frightening but I am more worried about what the NHS waste on staff that they put in roles they should never have rather than pulling the rug from under anybody that is entirely competent to execute a role but the opportunity to save a few quid at the expense of the public end user is wrong.
Rushjob said:
This, she still has a job, has lost nothing because she never commenced the new role and the first thing you think of is compo?
Why not ring the Daily Mail, I'm sure they'll run it with a photo of you both with your wife in her NHS uniform with her best compo face on display.
Your post says far more about you than it does about incompetent NHS management.........
She was in post, contract was issued. As I mentioned the Trust offered to compensate she hasn't chased itWhy not ring the Daily Mail, I'm sure they'll run it with a photo of you both with your wife in her NHS uniform with her best compo face on display.
Your post says far more about you than it does about incompetent NHS management.........
Rushjob said:
This, she still has a job, has lost nothing because she never commenced the new role and the first thing you think of is compo?
Why not ring the Daily Mail, I'm sure they'll run it with a photo of you both with your wife in her NHS uniform with her best compo face on display.
Your post says far more about you than it does about incompetent NHS management.........
I think we need pictures of her compo face to make a decision.Why not ring the Daily Mail, I'm sure they'll run it with a photo of you both with your wife in her NHS uniform with her best compo face on display.
Your post says far more about you than it does about incompetent NHS management.........
Also, the NHS is in crisis and has no money, and you want to sue them ?
Red9zero said:
I think we need pictures of her compo face to make a decision.
Also, the NHS is in crisis and has no money, and you want to sue them ?
At risk of repeating myself again, the offer of compensation was made by the Trust. It will be nominal there was no expectation of landing a jackpot payout.Also, the NHS is in crisis and has no money, and you want to sue them ?
You all may not like it, but if she was offered and received a contract, then there is an obligation so some compensation may be necessary.ih and the NHS isn't short of money, it just spunks it away on ste managers, badly planned and implemented changes, and employment practices that the private sector got rid of in the 70s.
te managers, badly planned and implemented changes, and employment practices that the private sector got rid of in the 70s.sociopath said:
You all may not like it, but if she was offered and received a contract, then there is an obligation so some compensation may be necessary.ih and the NHS isn't short of money, it just spunks it away on ste managers, badly planned and implemented changes, and employment practices that the private sector got rid of in the 70s.
Having worked in both public and private sectors, most recently private, I can hand on heart state that lazy, ineffective management, poor change and business recovery management and bullying of staff to name but a few is most certainly alive and well in the private sector. te managers, badly planned and implemented changes, and employment practices that the private sector got rid of in the 70s.There is even a thing called 'hurt feelings'
I, and many others on my profession are currently seeking compensation via the union under hurt feeling due to changes in our terms and conditions that were subsequently deemed to be discriminatory.
I think the OP's wife should definitely be entitled to some form of compensation, it's fair to assume that someone who gets a promotion may make certain purchases such as new work clothes suitable to the role, or perhaps treat themselves to something like a better car, holiday etc on the basis they have a contract saying they are getting a pay rise. Maybe they even buy a bigger house? Not fair to then have the carpet pulled from under her feet.
I, and many others on my profession are currently seeking compensation via the union under hurt feeling due to changes in our terms and conditions that were subsequently deemed to be discriminatory.
I think the OP's wife should definitely be entitled to some form of compensation, it's fair to assume that someone who gets a promotion may make certain purchases such as new work clothes suitable to the role, or perhaps treat themselves to something like a better car, holiday etc on the basis they have a contract saying they are getting a pay rise. Maybe they even buy a bigger house? Not fair to then have the carpet pulled from under her feet.
And here those who wonder why the NHS p***es money down the drain see the light.
As for the two managers, no doubt they will be promoted instead.
ETA - IIRC without bothering to do the research, case law would suggest the max "compo" would be the notice period for the new role...
As for the two managers, no doubt they will be promoted instead.
ETA - IIRC without bothering to do the research, case law would suggest the max "compo" would be the notice period for the new role...
Edited by Jasandjules on Tuesday 1st February 21:58
Rushjob said:
sociopath said:
You all may not like it, but if she was offered and received a contract, then there is an obligation so some compensation may be necessary.ih and the NHS isn't short of money, it just spunks it away on ste managers, badly planned and implemented changes, and employment practices that the private sector got rid of in the 70s.
Having worked in both public and private sectors, most recently private, I can hand on heart state that lazy, ineffective management, poor change and business recovery management and bullying of staff to name but a few is most certainly alive and well in the private sector. te managers, badly planned and implemented changes, and employment practices that the private sector got rid of in the 70s.A few examples from the NHS:
Trust CEO decides to buy an EV, suddenly the trust can afford to install one, and only one charger, right next to his reserved parking spot.
Having a meeting regarding changes to process and all the newly promoted attendees want to discuss was when they got their PAs assigned, because they qualified for them at the new grade. They didn't need them but wanted them because they were qualified.
A bulk purchase of iPads made to enable community workers.to be more efficient. Immediately claimed by senior staff, because they were more senior, but completely useless for them so most were just put in cupboards and forgotten about.
£3m awarded for a patient management system, spent/wasted on other non urgent things, but not to worry as they would apply again the following year
A member of staff who refused to do things they didn't want to do, safe in the knowledge they were too expensive to get rid of. On returning to the same trust 8 years later they were still there.
A new satellite treatment building built without any access for networking cabling.
A different satellite built with networking bundle blown through a major conduit, all unlabelled.
It goes on and on, that's just a few from a couple of experiences.
LeadFarmer said:
There is even a thing called 'hurt feelings'
I, and many others on my profession are currently seeking compensation via the union under hurt feeling due to changes in our terms and conditions that were subsequently deemed to be discriminatory.
I think the OP's wife should definitely be entitled to some form of compensation, it's fair to assume that someone who gets a promotion may make certain purchases such as new work clothes suitable to the role, or perhaps treat themselves to something like a better car, holiday etc on the basis they have a contract saying they are getting a pay rise. Maybe they even buy a bigger house? Not fair to then have the carpet pulled from under her feet.
Jesus.I, and many others on my profession are currently seeking compensation via the union under hurt feeling due to changes in our terms and conditions that were subsequently deemed to be discriminatory.
I think the OP's wife should definitely be entitled to some form of compensation, it's fair to assume that someone who gets a promotion may make certain purchases such as new work clothes suitable to the role, or perhaps treat themselves to something like a better car, holiday etc on the basis they have a contract saying they are getting a pay rise. Maybe they even buy a bigger house? Not fair to then have the carpet pulled from under her feet.
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