Pay rate between shifts night into day
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I think I know the answer to this but was wondering what others thought.
My wife works overnight on a Sunday to Monday morning. She gets a better rate for the night shift, even though arguably the work is easier overnight than during the day. Sometimes she is asked to continue working into the morning to cover sick/leave etc. When this happens she drops back to the day rate.
Me wanting the best for her, feel that she should be paid those morning hours at the night rate as it's one long shift and she's tired, obviously her work don't agree.
Am I being unreasonable, probably are?
My wife works overnight on a Sunday to Monday morning. She gets a better rate for the night shift, even though arguably the work is easier overnight than during the day. Sometimes she is asked to continue working into the morning to cover sick/leave etc. When this happens she drops back to the day rate.
Me wanting the best for her, feel that she should be paid those morning hours at the night rate as it's one long shift and she's tired, obviously her work don't agree.
Am I being unreasonable, probably are?
JPC63 said:
She should be paid an overtime rate regardless.
When i did shifts it was:
1.3x for regular OT
1.5x Friday night and Saturday
2.0x Saturday night, Sunday and Sunday night
Monday day would be 1.3x, but with 12hr shifts, not be allowed to work into next day after nights.
It depends on the job. Supermarkets for example just pay a flat rate for every hour worked.When i did shifts it was:
1.3x for regular OT
1.5x Friday night and Saturday
2.0x Saturday night, Sunday and Sunday night
Monday day would be 1.3x, but with 12hr shifts, not be allowed to work into next day after nights.
With us it's unsociable hours payment, if you're working nights or weekends you get a higher rate. If you continued from nights into normal working time I'd argue that it was all one shift and should be paid at the higher rate or I wouldn't do it.
I know that at Argos it was specified what the unsociable hours were and you were only paid the rate for those particular hours, so if you started in the afternoon you'd get half normal half unsociable pay.
Basically it's company dependent.
I know that at Argos it was specified what the unsociable hours were and you were only paid the rate for those particular hours, so if you started in the afternoon you'd get half normal half unsociable pay.
Basically it's company dependent.
It comes down to what does the conditions of employment say?
If I was working on past my normal working hours I would be working at a specific overtime rate but I don't think there is a national standard for it.
Clearly some people have a fixed salary and there is no hourly rate at all.
If I was working on past my normal working hours I would be working at a specific overtime rate but I don't think there is a national standard for it.
Clearly some people have a fixed salary and there is no hourly rate at all.
MDMA . said:
98elise said:
It depends on the job. Supermarkets for example just pay a flat rate for every hour worked.
They don't.Type R Tom said:
Thanks for the input. It appears that there is no strong consensus, and this is likely a local agreement/policy issue.
As I said, I can see it from both sides, but just trying to get the best for her.
You're right. Another thing to mention is that over the last 20-30 years Supermarkets have cut and re-cut rates and contracts.As I said, I can see it from both sides, but just trying to get the best for her.
When I used to work at Asda back in the 80's you would get
Enhanced rates for eveining work (x1.3 between 7pm-10pm)
Enhanced rate for nights (x1.5 between 10pm and 7am)
Enhanced rates on Sundays and bank holidays (x2 plus TOIL)
Gradually these have been reduced and AIUI its minimal enhancements now for evening/night work.
I’ve worked in heavy engineering in a maintenance role for the last 20 years. All the companies I work for were a standard day role with the ability to do overtime. General rule of thumb has been 1.5 pay for any midweek ot, and 2.0 for weekend work with bank holiday day still being paid regardless so would be 3.0 pay. When it comes to working a night shift some companies would pay extra and others wouldn’t which would reflect on who would be willing to stay late or go on to nights for a period of time. One place I worked paid an extra 25% for shift pay for working rotating 12 hour days and nights over the day worker role.
What I have found when looking else where for new jobs is that companies now days are less likely to offer a higher rate for ot work or with other caveats. Always an interesting interview when you say no to a job offer.
What I have found when looking else where for new jobs is that companies now days are less likely to offer a higher rate for ot work or with other caveats. Always an interesting interview when you say no to a job offer.
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