Is this legal?

[A500leroy]

Work in a unionised industry.

The union have said that new ways of working and new attendance days will be implemented out of a choice of 9 plans, but only union members in each workplace can have a vote on which pattern to pick, non union members just have to accept what is chosen.

The company to my knowledge have agreed.

[Nicetobenice]

Yes.

You would have to make any representations direct to your employer

[InitialDave]

A500leroy said:

Work in a unionised industry.

The union have said that new ways of working and new attendance days will be implemented out of a choice of 9 plans, but only union members in each workplace can have a vote on which pattern to pick, non union members just have to accept what is chosen.

The company to my knowledge have agreed.

That's exactly how the collective bargaining agreement for wage rises works at my place. Company negotiate with the union, union members vote to accept, non-union members get whatever is agreed.

[Jasandjules]

One of the Union things...

[Countdown]

InitialDave said:

A500leroy said:

Work in a unionised industry.

The union have said that new ways of working and new attendance days will be implemented out of a choice of 9 plans, but only union members in each workplace can have a vote on which pattern to pick, non union members just have to accept what is chosen.

The company to my knowledge have agreed.

That's exactly how the collective bargaining agreement for wage rises works at my place. Company negotiate with the union, union members vote to accept, non-union members get whatever is agreed.

That ^^^

Last year our Union were told what the budget was for a pay award - rather than agreeing to the same percentage for everybody they agreed to a payrise of 5% for staff earning below £35k, 3% for staff earning between £35k and £60k and 1.5% for staff above £60k.

Most staff earn below £35k and the vast majority oif Union members earn below £35k. However it was applied to everybody apart from the Board, whether they liked it or not.

[InitialDave]

Countdown said:

That ^^^

Last year our Union were told what the budget was for a pay award - rather than agreeing to the same percentage for everybody they agreed to a payrise of 5% for staff earning below £35k, 3% for staff earning between £35k and £60k and 1.5% for staff above £60k.

Most staff earn below £35k and the vast majority oif Union members earn below £35k. However it was applied to everybody apart from the Board, whether they liked it or not.

The crap bit with ours is that a lot of us are in job grades which aren't in the collective bargaining, so even if in the union, you don't get that rise at all.

[DJC76]

A500leroy said:

Work in a unionised industry.

The union have said that new ways of working and new attendance days will be implemented out of a choice of 9 plans, but only union members in each workplace can have a vote on which pattern to pick, non union members just have to accept what is chosen.

The company to my knowledge have agreed.

How much would it cost to join the union?

[Countdown]

DJC76 said:

How much would it cost to join the union?

About £15 per month

[DJC76]

Countdown said:

DJC76 said:

How much would it cost to join the union?

About £15 per month

That depends on the individuals specific circumstances, that’s the upper end for CWU. I’m curious to know how much a say in matters would cost this particular person.

[A500leroy]

Beside the point, I shouldn't have to pay to have a vote to put my choice in, thats just wrong.

[egor110]

A500leroy said:

Beside the point, I shouldn't have to pay to have a vote to put my choice in, thats just wrong.

Your union would be the cwu wouldn't it ?

Why are you concerned now about not getting a vote on shift patterns when you've been fine taking the pay increases the union has collectively got you despite you not being a member ?

[InitialDave]

A500leroy said:

Beside the point, I shouldn't have to pay to have a vote to put my choice in, thats just wrong.

You don't have to pay to negotiate your own raise.

You have to pay to be part of the collective unit that bargains for the collective package, in order to vote for it.

But you still benefit from the end result.

[Countdown]

A500leroy said:

Beside the point, I shouldn't have to pay to have a vote to put my choice in, thats just wrong.

I am not a HR lawyer, i wonder if there is anything stopping you from negotiating your own pay rise?

Equally can Management then decide to give you a lower offer than they gave to the Union?

[valiant]

A500leroy said:

Beside the point, I shouldn't have to pay to have a vote to put my choice in, thats just wrong.

If it weren’t for the union, there wouldn’t be a vote. Management would just impose what it wishes whilst complying with relevant laws. Take it or leave it.

[DJC76]

A500leroy said:

Beside the point, I shouldn't have to pay to have a vote to put my choice in, thats just wrong.

Not really, your employer has a collective bargaining agreement with the union which you would have known when you were employed by them. Without the union your employer would have just forced you into whatever best suited them, you could have a vote on this and all other matters plus a bunch of other protections for a very small fee but you’ve chosen not to join the majority of your colleagues.

[MustangGT]

DJC76 said:

Not really, your employer has a collective bargaining agreement with the union which you would have known when you were employed by them. Without the union your employer would have just forced you into whatever best suited them, you could have a vote on this and all other matters plus a bunch of other protections for a very small fee but you ve chosen not to join the majority of your colleagues.

This, you elected to forego your right to a vote on the collective agreement by not paying to join the union. In return you enjoy the benefits of the agreement and receive slightly more take home pay each month.