Giving a bonus to an employee
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Prisoner 24601

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682 posts

75 months

Saturday 25th July
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Whilst we are liaising with our accountant, just putting this out here as well for a wide mix of views and opinions.

We have an employee earning circa 108k per annum (we don't currently salary sacrifice this downwards). He is owed a bonus of around £3k, however, running the numbers through a tax calculator reveals that the tax man takes around 50-60% of this, leaving him with a small amount.

We have informally spoken about gifts and other means to reward him, but drawing a bit of a blank.

What other ways are there to reward this individual that may be more tax efficient. Stretching the rules or taking advantage of allowances or similar.

aterribleusername

592 posts

90 months

Saturday 25th July
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See what the employee would like, either the money or something else. Maybe extra time off? That can be worth just as much or even more.

Terminator X

20,206 posts

231 months

Saturday 25th July
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Time off? Money in their pension instead?

TX.

Countdown

48,862 posts

223 months

Saturday 25th July
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Prisoner 24601 said:
Whilst we are liaising with our accountant, just putting this out here as well for a wide mix of views and opinions.

We have an employee earning circa 108k per annum (we don't currently salary sacrifice this downwards). He is owed a bonus of around £3k, however, running the numbers through a tax calculator reveals that the tax man takes around 50-60% of this, leaving him with a small amount.

We have informally spoken about gifts and other means to reward him, but drawing a bit of a blank.

What other ways are there to reward this individual that may be more tax efficient. Stretching the rules or taking advantage of allowances or similar.
Your accountant would probably be the best person to help.

The problem that you have is that the bonus is work related. Paying somebody for the work they have done is taxable. IIRC gifts are limited to £50 per occasion and £300 per annum.

FlyVintage

460 posts

18 months

Saturday 25th July
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Maybe you could send them for some training associated with their interests…. Supercar track day, Spitfire flight (I have no idea if this would actually be classed as training).

Pit Pony

11,072 posts

148 months

Saturday 25th July
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Terminator X said:
Time off? Money in their pension instead?

TX.
This.. they can thank the employer later.... depending on thier age, could be much later.



xx99xx

2,883 posts

100 months

Saturday 25th July
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Some companies give holidays as gifts. As in a paid week away to another country type holiday, as opposed to extra annual leave.

Thing is, do it for one you have to do it for all. Could always offer the £3k cash as a taxable alternative if they don't fancy the holiday.

Jasandjules

72,425 posts

256 months

Saturday 25th July
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Team building day at the Top Gear track driving supercars............... Or whatever else is he is interested in?!?!

E-bmw

13,139 posts

179 months

Before I finished work we were always given the option of putting our bonus in our pension.

You pay no tax on it so get all of it and it is accumulating for later in life, no brainer for me.

stuthemongoose

2,527 posts

244 months

The employee should be Sal sac the 8k to 100k to get 62% boost from gvmt.

The 3 k you give as a bonus they should do the same on

The best bonus/gift you can give this person is to explain how important pensions are and to use the allowances!

AB

20,284 posts

222 months

Didn't they drive 5,500 miles this year at £0.55ppm? wink


grumbledoak

32,512 posts

260 months

stuthemongoose said:
The employee should be Sal sac the 8k to 100k to get 62% boost from gvmt.

The 3 k you give as a bonus they should do the same on

The best bonus/gift you can give this person is to explain how important pensions are and to use the allowances!
^^^ that. Offer to set up the salary sacrifice thing for them and shunt way more than £3k into their pension

E-bmw

13,139 posts

179 months

I also did that for the last year or so that I worked when I became mortgage free.

Sacrificed everything above the upper tax threshhold.

IIRC I sacrificed around £3.5k/month & actually lost around £1.8k/month in take home due to the tax burden.

(don't quote me on specific numbers, they are just estimates IIRC)

It enormously benefitted my pension by the time I started taking it.

ExBoringVolvoDriver

11,650 posts

70 months

As already mentioned, any gift over and above the very small HMRC allowance will be subject to tax, usually payable by the employer.

IIRC it is based on the highest rate of tax paid by the employee and the tax payable can sometimes be more than the value of the gift itself!

Getting a salary sacrifice scheme in place would be the way forward and for the £3000 and other pension payments to be paid this way.

Prisoner 24601

Original Poster:

682 posts

75 months

Thank you everyone. Very useful.

We will speak internally this week. Pension is the most popular answer, with salary sacrifice as well for future payments.

snuffy

13,007 posts

311 months

stuthemongoose said:
The employee should be Sal sac the 8k to 100k to get 62% boost from gvmt.
Not having 62% stolen is not the same as getting an extra 62%.

Pit Pony

11,072 posts

148 months

E-bmw said:
I also did that for the last year or so that I worked when I became mortgage free.

Sacrificed everything above the upper tax threshhold.

IIRC I sacrificed around £3.5k/month & actually lost around £1.8k/month in take home due to the tax burden.

(don't quote me on specific numbers, they are just estimates IIRC)

It enormously benefitted my pension by the time I started taking it.
As my intention is to retire in early 2028, I have ramped up my salary sacrifice into pension from everything above £50K to everything above minimum wage.

The shortfall is being met by using savings which weren't getting a great return. when I retire in Feb 28, I get it back at 25% tax free and then from April have £1k tax free (each month) and the rest minus 20% tax. Effectively I am pretty sure that I will pay £200 a month for a £3k net income.

I have a big spreadsheet with timings of every drawing down I plan for the first 25 years.....

352 working days left........