Career change - teaching?
Discussion
bonsai said:
Thought you were going to be an air traffic controller!
I was until I realised it could mean enforced relocation to the arse-end of Scotland!
Ok, anyone know how to become a aircraft re-fueller?
Christ, I really have no clue what I want to do in life!
Edited by Legend83 on Thursday 12th November 10:59
Bluebarge said:
Lots of competition for teaching posts at the moment, lots of people training as teachers, and public sector job cuts looming. I'd think again unless it is a burning desire of yours (which it seems not to be).
What's wrong with a move to Scotland?
Just bought a house in our home-town. Wife in comfortable job. Both near family etc.What's wrong with a move to Scotland?
Just not practical. And that is even if I made the cut to get into ATC training.
I work for a teacher training company. You do need a degree but subject matter depends on what you want to teach and what age also. Places are vastily over subscribed but there are areas of need. You can do the PGCE route which is study based or GTP which is employment based route (full time) and you would start off training at about 16k+. Wage after depends on a number of things but could be earning 25k plus with in a few years.
Legend83 said:
What does it entail? Can you retrain part-time and continue working for your current employer until qualified?
You need a degree, not necessarily in the subject you teach (my A level maths teacher had a degree in Physics and Philosophy from Oxford, for example). You also need a PGCE (one year full time / two year part time course after graduation).This may help http://www.tda.gov.uk/Recruit/thetrainingprocess/t...
I'm not a teacher, did used to know someone doing her PGCE though.
Wouldn't the ACCA/ACA qual qualify as a degree anyway? I was always under the impression it would?
Don't know though?
PS
Accountancy is as dull as it gets isn't it?
More or less a thankless task....
"here you go Sir, your tax bill is £48,000, and here's my bill for £2,000 to accompany that"
don't expect a thank you, the fact you may have saved them £000s is irrelevant, I can name on one hand the number of geniune thank you comments I get in a year - non refund ones that is.
Don't know though?
PS
Accountancy is as dull as it gets isn't it?
More or less a thankless task....
"here you go Sir, your tax bill is £48,000, and here's my bill for £2,000 to accompany that"
don't expect a thank you, the fact you may have saved them £000s is irrelevant, I can name on one hand the number of geniune thank you comments I get in a year - non refund ones that is.
Legend83 said:
Secondary - History / Economics.
Have a degree in Economics & Economic History.
If you have 50% subject knowledge in History then that is possible. However its non-priority and my company doesnt offer history places anymore and economics is non-curricular so you may struggle to get a GTP place. Have a degree in Economics & Economic History.
Edited by Legend83 on Thursday 12th November 11:11
dirty boy said:
Wouldn't the ACCA/ACA qual qualify as a degree anyway? I was always under the impression it would?
Don't know though?
PS
Accountancy is as dull as it gets isn't it?
More or less a thankless task....
"here you go Sir, your tax bill is £48,000, and here's my bill for £2,000 to accompany that"
don't expect a thank you, the fact you may have saved them £000s is irrelevant, I can name on one hand the number of geniune thank you comments I get in a year - non refund ones that is.
Don't know though?
PS
Accountancy is as dull as it gets isn't it?
More or less a thankless task....
"here you go Sir, your tax bill is £48,000, and here's my bill for £2,000 to accompany that"
don't expect a thank you, the fact you may have saved them £000s is irrelevant, I can name on one hand the number of geniune thank you comments I get in a year - non refund ones that is.
I will fully admit that I am rubbish at it too. Which I think is a result of my lack of passion rather than my ability (I hope!). Soon enough my 'doing the bare minimum' will get spotted.
Which is why I am trying to keep my options open. If redundancy was offered I would grab it with both hands!
here you go:
http://www.hertsdirect.org/scholearn/supporting/te...
http://www.herts.ac.uk/courses/schools-of-study/ed...
I did ICT and business studies but had worked at the school for a number of years.
I would contact them now about next year, in the meantime get around local schools and see if you can do some temp work etc
You could always get a job in a school until sep 2010 eg
http://www.jobsite.co.uk/cgi-bin/vacdetails.pl?sel...
PM me if you would like anything else....
http://www.hertsdirect.org/scholearn/supporting/te...
http://www.herts.ac.uk/courses/schools-of-study/ed...
I did ICT and business studies but had worked at the school for a number of years.
I would contact them now about next year, in the meantime get around local schools and see if you can do some temp work etc
You could always get a job in a school until sep 2010 eg
http://www.jobsite.co.uk/cgi-bin/vacdetails.pl?sel...
PM me if you would like anything else....
dundarach said:
here you go:
http://www.hertsdirect.org/scholearn/supporting/te...
http://www.herts.ac.uk/courses/schools-of-study/ed...
I did ICT and business studies but had worked at the school for a number of years.
I would contact them now about next year, in the meantime get around local schools and see if you can do some temp work etc
You could always get a job in a school until sep 2010 eg
http://www.jobsite.co.uk/cgi-bin/vacdetails.pl?sel...
PM me if you would like anything else....
Thanks for the help.http://www.hertsdirect.org/scholearn/supporting/te...
http://www.herts.ac.uk/courses/schools-of-study/ed...
I did ICT and business studies but had worked at the school for a number of years.
I would contact them now about next year, in the meantime get around local schools and see if you can do some temp work etc
You could always get a job in a school until sep 2010 eg
http://www.jobsite.co.uk/cgi-bin/vacdetails.pl?sel...
PM me if you would like anything else....
I'm a Science Teacher (on paper).
I've been at it a few years, both contract and supply work. I've been in about 30 schools, of all ranges. It's a good job, if you're a decent character, the students will like you, want to please you and you won't have the "issues" which dog other staff. The holidays are great, but the cost of anything holiday related goes silly. If you get in a good department, it's about as good as you can get a job. Nothing beats having a successful day, where you did well and leave the gates smiling (at 3pm).
Here is the catch.
Competition is very very stiff. Everyone and their dog is training to be a teacher. It's a safe option, universities are losing funding, good quality academics are trying their hands at it. Have a look at jobs in your area www.jobs.tes.co.uk You'll probably see that most of them are maternity leave temporary contracts. Schools are offering temporary contracts, a kind of "see if we like you" collegiality test. Competition is so stiff, I've seen very very able staff not get their contracts renewed (when I was on supply).
With the competition being stiff, schools can get very choosy about who they hire. What you will observe is different department "cultures" and your prospects will strongly be about whether you "fit in" or not. Everyone can deliver a carefully planned, box ticking lesson which celebrates diversity, takes into account left handed lesbian trombonists and contains at least 20 buzzwords, where there is a mixture of assessment styles, etc. What does matter is this collegiality business. Thankfully it does vary from school to school and the best places are usually big departments in big schools. The smaller ones (and some bigger) can get very family like and at worse bullying and unfair (been on the end of one of these).
Taking a step back from it for a moment, teachers are a funny lot. I have had to bite my tongue in a lot of staffrooms. Sadly, it isn't possible to "do the job and f
k off", these people will impinge on every aspect of your job and you'd better hope they like you.
Having done supply, I've covered and spoken to a fair few members of staff. Staff rarely get sacked, instead they areconstructively dismissed "helped" until the stress of all that "help" causes them to "choose" an alternative career path. If "they" don't like you, your performance, no matter how good will be questioned and then you will be "helped" too. It's one of the most common and sinister things I've bumped into. I don't think regular staff notice it. Fit in perfectly and be the round peg and you'll have no problems. Funnily enough, the real nutters and inspiring characters are often precisely those which have had "peg problems". You can call my cynical if you like, I'm only the messenger!
To recap.
It can be a great, rewarding job.
The staff are often pricks and they will impinge on how you do things.
It is very much a team players and team talkers job. No room for renegades.
The competition is very very stiff and schools are very choosy. You need every last nano-% of betterness to win.
There are so many supply teachers, I had to quit as there was not enough work to make it worth doing. MOST OF THEM ARE LOOKING FOR JOBS.
My mates GF came first out of 194 applicants for a job the other day. Average school as well.
Good luck with your choice.
I've been at it a few years, both contract and supply work. I've been in about 30 schools, of all ranges. It's a good job, if you're a decent character, the students will like you, want to please you and you won't have the "issues" which dog other staff. The holidays are great, but the cost of anything holiday related goes silly. If you get in a good department, it's about as good as you can get a job. Nothing beats having a successful day, where you did well and leave the gates smiling (at 3pm).
Here is the catch.
Competition is very very stiff. Everyone and their dog is training to be a teacher. It's a safe option, universities are losing funding, good quality academics are trying their hands at it. Have a look at jobs in your area www.jobs.tes.co.uk You'll probably see that most of them are maternity leave temporary contracts. Schools are offering temporary contracts, a kind of "see if we like you" collegiality test. Competition is so stiff, I've seen very very able staff not get their contracts renewed (when I was on supply).
With the competition being stiff, schools can get very choosy about who they hire. What you will observe is different department "cultures" and your prospects will strongly be about whether you "fit in" or not. Everyone can deliver a carefully planned, box ticking lesson which celebrates diversity, takes into account left handed lesbian trombonists and contains at least 20 buzzwords, where there is a mixture of assessment styles, etc. What does matter is this collegiality business. Thankfully it does vary from school to school and the best places are usually big departments in big schools. The smaller ones (and some bigger) can get very family like and at worse bullying and unfair (been on the end of one of these).
Taking a step back from it for a moment, teachers are a funny lot. I have had to bite my tongue in a lot of staffrooms. Sadly, it isn't possible to "do the job and f
k off", these people will impinge on every aspect of your job and you'd better hope they like you. Having done supply, I've covered and spoken to a fair few members of staff. Staff rarely get sacked, instead they are
To recap.
It can be a great, rewarding job.
The staff are often pricks and they will impinge on how you do things.
It is very much a team players and team talkers job. No room for renegades.
The competition is very very stiff and schools are very choosy. You need every last nano-% of betterness to win.
There are so many supply teachers, I had to quit as there was not enough work to make it worth doing. MOST OF THEM ARE LOOKING FOR JOBS.
My mates GF came first out of 194 applicants for a job the other day. Average school as well.
Good luck with your choice.
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