Should I be downing tools? (Elf 'n' safety)
Should I be downing tools? (Elf 'n' safety)
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Jim the Sunderer

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3,261 posts

209 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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So I'm working for an IT firm, they've just asked me to sort out a storeroom.

This room is crammed full of battered monitors, broken towers, tossed printers and suchlike. The junk is piled without any thought or care.

A few points:

  • Lots of mould
  • Collapsed ceiling in places
  • More mould
  • Broken glass
  • Badly lit (even though the roof is Swiss style too)
  • Exposed wiring
  • No protective clothing
Oh yeah, I'm not getting paid.

The gear has laid there for at least 5 years, though some of the equipment was made redundant before I was born.
Am I just being a fairy?

Original Poster

5,429 posts

203 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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Yes you are, get on with it!

HundredthIdiot

4,477 posts

311 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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Jim the Sunderer said:
Oh yeah, I'm not getting paid.
?

Jim the Sunderer

Original Poster:

3,261 posts

209 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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HundredthIdiot said:
Jim the Sunderer said:
Oh yeah, I'm not getting paid.
?
The nasty man at the dole office is making me work there because nobody would pay to employ me.

hman

7,497 posts

221 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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mould, exposed wiring, broken glass , unsafe structure ( ceiling ) and no PPE given = no work / or work + accident and claims direct ;-)

lewes

361 posts

203 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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Don't be a girl


Pull the bottom ones and run!!

KrazyIvan

4,341 posts

202 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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What are they asking you to do with it, as you can no longer "skip" IT equipment, it all has to be recycled?

As you have no tools you can hardly down them, so ask for the correct ones and get on with it.

And what do you mean your not being paid? Are they asking you to do it in your own time, or is it just a case of "I am not paid to do that" ?

lewes

361 posts

203 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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PPE is designed as the last line of defence and other control measures should be in place to control the risks.

Without seeing the room I would say its difficult to say exactly what is needed or not.

But I would say maybe a 2 person job as whilst not heavy old computer equipment is bulky, so yes to some suitable handling gloves, manual handling training and a trolley or a suitable skip close by.

Unless its very small I wouldn't say its a confined space

Jim the Sunderer

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3,261 posts

209 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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It's work organised by the Job Centre's 'New Deal' people, it's not really unpaid, but it's only dole money +£15 a week.

I'm not against doing the work, certainly not looking for a way out of it. I need the experience badly.

I wasn't exaggerating about the state of the room, but I'm not really in there as much as I might have implied.


Thanks, fellas. I'll ask for a mask or something and stop being a fairy.

HundredthIdiot

4,477 posts

311 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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This thread is worthless without pics. smile

lewes

361 posts

203 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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I would just ask someone to do a risk assessment on it, that way you can voice your concern and they should take you seriously. The RA should highlight the hazards and the control measure needed..

People often say that H&S is expensive, like said above. You try having an accident and then you see how expensive things are.

I've investigated many workplace accident, all are avoidable and most down to stupidity. But I'm always told its just 'common sense', well why do they still keep happening !!!

moribund

4,382 posts

241 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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Call this lot, they'll take it away for you and save you the trouble smile

http://www.wastecare.co.uk/computer/

davepoth

29,395 posts

226 months

Wednesday 28th July 2010
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Best not to refuse to do it, but ask the HSE bloke to come take a look. If he's any good he will stop you if it's dangerous.

Nickellarse

533 posts

216 months

Thursday 29th July 2010
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It sounds like a great challenge and if you box it off properly you will do yourself some good, get a decent reference etc.

Additionally, if you have "site clearence" experience like this then there are other waste jobs out there and waste companies who would want you.

As you've said, get a mask, some gloves and goggles and you should be sorted. The only potential issue is that if it is an old office there might be asbestos present. I'd be cautious about that especially if the roof is damaged.

stackmonkey

5,084 posts

276 months

Thursday 29th July 2010
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lewes said:
I would just ask someone to do a risk assessment on it, that way you can voice your concern and they should take you seriously. The RA should highlight the hazards and the control measure needed..

People often say that H&S is expensive, like said above. You try having an accident and then you see how expensive things are.

I've investigated many workplace accident, all are avoidable and most down to stupidity. But I'm always told its just 'common sense', well why do they still keep happening !!!
^^^This ^^^

Glassman

24,855 posts

242 months

Thursday 29th July 2010
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Get on with it. If this was your new flat you'd do it. Tell them if you find anything good, you're keeping it.

clarkey

1,425 posts

311 months

Friday 30th July 2010
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Get on with it.... Don't take silly risks, turn up on time, do a good job, work hard. You never know, you could get more work out of it.

M400 NBL

3,552 posts

239 months

Friday 30th July 2010
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Ideally there'd be a risk assessment carried out prior to you doing a potentially dangerous NEW task.

And what is the plan? what do they want doing with all the items? They may be dangerous now, but they could be more dangerous in left where people will actually be walking.

You should at least wear safety shoes, safety glasses and a dust mask. Forgetting H & S regs, these should fine because you are in an environment that is familiar, moving (probably a larger,heavier version) items that you are familiar with.

So how many hours comunity service did you get, or are you one of very few that doesn't just take job seekers allowance and piss it up the wall hehe