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Hi Guys,
I'm new to the forum and hope that I'm not breaking any rules!
I'm currently in the process of trying to expand our database of graduates who have left or are in the process of leaving university and are looking to start a career in engineering. I can recruit into a number of sectors including defence, aerospace, IT and automotive.
I would be interested in speaking to any grads that are looking to break into these sectors and seeing where we can work with each other. I'm also able to assist with other areas including CV checking, interview preperation and general job seeking advice. The best thing is that I offer all of these services for free without any commitment to work with me (I must be a mug!).
If you're interested in any of the above, please drop me an email (simontjw@arm.co.uk) or PM me here.
Once again, I hope that I've not broken any of the forum rules or offended anyone. I am of course happy to assist anyone in their job hunt.
Regards
Simon
I'm new to the forum and hope that I'm not breaking any rules!
I'm currently in the process of trying to expand our database of graduates who have left or are in the process of leaving university and are looking to start a career in engineering. I can recruit into a number of sectors including defence, aerospace, IT and automotive.
I would be interested in speaking to any grads that are looking to break into these sectors and seeing where we can work with each other. I'm also able to assist with other areas including CV checking, interview preperation and general job seeking advice. The best thing is that I offer all of these services for free without any commitment to work with me (I must be a mug!).
If you're interested in any of the above, please drop me an email (simontjw@arm.co.uk) or PM me here.
Once again, I hope that I've not broken any of the forum rules or offended anyone. I am of course happy to assist anyone in their job hunt.
Regards
Simon
well I was going to say thank you for the generous offer i'll send my cv over for you to view as you may be able to advise me, but then looking on your website I realised i've recently had dealings with your company which made it plainly clear that certain members of your team are unable to read the relevant information (be it CV's and/or job requirements) before jumping in with both feet then trying to blame others rather than admit their error
so thanks but i'm out
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so thanks but i'm out
S
rhinochopig said:
Go on Simon, tell me how you match the Grad to the organisation. Why should use you when I need Engineering grads - how are you better than the others?
Oh oh me me me!! I know the answer to this one:Its because they match graduates the the jobs. They dont just throw any old graduate at a job simply to get the money, unlike 100% of recruitment companies...
..having been on the other side as the poor graduate, now I am in position to do so if I wished, I would never use recruitment agencies
Original Poster said:
AJS- said:
Come on trix dish the dirt!
Simon, that's not a very convincing defence of your colleagues or company.
Haven't had a recruiters vs civvies thread for a while have we?
Stiiiiiiiiiiir the pot
+1, I hope it gets messy!Simon, that's not a very convincing defence of your colleagues or company.
Haven't had a recruiters vs civvies thread for a while have we?
Stiiiiiiiiiiir the pot
as mentioned in my first post I would expect a recruiter to read the job description that they are advertising so they had a grasp of what sort of person (& bias) their client required for the position, and then to read the CV so they had a basic understanding of what qualifications and experience that person actually had before contacting them and wasting everyones time. (I am not your traditional graduate per se)
I may consider using Simon's company in the future as I do agree not everyone is the same but I do tend to agree with O.P's comment above.
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okgo said:
So its not a recuiters job to tell them what job they should do?
Surley by definition the recruiter recruits for the roles he has been given, and I wouldn't blame them for trying to place anyone naive enough to go along with something without doing any research off their own back.
But by their very definition graduates have no practical experience of what industry needs. A recruiter should (although sadly most haven't a scooby and have never worked in industry) know what the industry sector they recruit into needs. Therefore a grad pondering what to do with a Maths degree may send them their CV and the recruiter will send them a list of Jobs that require a Maths degree with OTJ role specific training.Surley by definition the recruiter recruits for the roles he has been given, and I wouldn't blame them for trying to place anyone naive enough to go along with something without doing any research off their own back.
Don't forget, most only get paid when they recruit so there is a massive incentive to send any old charlie for an interview.
okgo said:
So its not a recuiters job to tell them what job they should do?
Surley by definition the recruiter recruits for the roles he has been given, and I wouldn't blame them for trying to place anyone naive enough to go along with something without doing any research off their own back.
As a recruitment consultant you match people with positions. It's not just a matter of matching CVs and job specs - if you don't believe me go and sign up for jobsite etc and see what sort of nonsense they send you when a computer does this matching. Surley by definition the recruiter recruits for the roles he has been given, and I wouldn't blame them for trying to place anyone naive enough to go along with something without doing any research off their own back.
Most graduates might have a vague idea of what they are interested in, but no idea how or where this fits into any company. A consultant who knows the market can present them with various different options and let them make the choice that best suits their ambitions. Similarly a big engineering (or any other) company might get 100s or even 1,000s of graduate CVs every year and end up hiring a handful. Simply wading through all these CVs would take weeks. Having a recruitment consultant who knows the business meet them and send you the 3 or 4 that might be a good fit makes a hiring manager's job a lot easier.
Wow! I was only offering to help - I've spoken to a few people already since my post, and I hope (fingers crossed) that they'll pop up and confirm that I've been helpful, and haven't been pushed into any old job that I've got going. In fact, I haven't put anyone I've spoken to from here forward for any roles as of yet, I've just spent time passing on advice.
Why should you choose to use the company I work for when recruiting grads? Because I work for them and no-body else.
I didn't come on here with the intention of having a massive arguement on why to use recruiters over direct applications. There's pro's and cons for both methods.
Just like any other profession that you come across there's both bad and good professionals. Unfortunately you always remember the bad one's over the good ones, and I'm not going to waste everyone's time by trying to justify the actions of other recruiters. If you want my help, I'll be more than happy to offer it, I've got plenty of people who'll happily pass on their opinions of my services.
On the note of Grad's, unfortunately not everyone has the skills or experiences to make a successful application for a job. And with the current state of the employment market, I don't think there's anything wrong with getting as much help as you can when applying for a job. And one way of getting some help is to speak to someone who has already got established contacts within companies (not just HR, but with hiring managers and decision makers), who deals with applicants on a daily basis, and knows what they're talking about when making job applications!
Why should you choose to use the company I work for when recruiting grads? Because I work for them and no-body else.
I didn't come on here with the intention of having a massive arguement on why to use recruiters over direct applications. There's pro's and cons for both methods.
Just like any other profession that you come across there's both bad and good professionals. Unfortunately you always remember the bad one's over the good ones, and I'm not going to waste everyone's time by trying to justify the actions of other recruiters. If you want my help, I'll be more than happy to offer it, I've got plenty of people who'll happily pass on their opinions of my services.
On the note of Grad's, unfortunately not everyone has the skills or experiences to make a successful application for a job. And with the current state of the employment market, I don't think there's anything wrong with getting as much help as you can when applying for a job. And one way of getting some help is to speak to someone who has already got established contacts within companies (not just HR, but with hiring managers and decision makers), who deals with applicants on a daily basis, and knows what they're talking about when making job applications!
rhinochopig said:
Don't forget, most only get paid when they recruit so there is a massive incentive to send any old charlie for an interview.
Except that you lose credibility. I would not send a CV unless I thought this person was a good match for the job and would get on well with the hiring manager. Basically unless I think they will get hired.The reason being I don't want a hiring manager to see my email and think "what sort of a drongo has he sent this time." I want him to interview the candidate and offer him a job, so that I get paid. I want him to see my email and think "Oooh AJS has sent me a CV, what interview slots have I got available?"
Fostering a good relationship means repeat business, it also means that you can get placements that wouldn't even be interviewed without that trust - I can call the hiring manager and say "This guy is missing ABC but he has XYZ, his attitude is great and I think you should interview him if that XYZ would be useful to you."
AJS- said:
rhinochopig said:
Don't forget, most only get paid when they recruit so there is a massive incentive to send any old charlie for an interview.
Except that you lose credibility. I would not send a CV unless I thought this person was a good match for the job and would get on well with the hiring manager. Basically unless I think they will get hired.The reason being I don't want a hiring manager to see my email and think "what sort of a drongo has he sent this time." I want him to interview the candidate and offer him a job, so that I get paid. I want him to see my email and think "Oooh AJS has sent me a CV, what interview slots have I got available?"
Fostering a good relationship means repeat business, it also means that you can get placements that wouldn't even be interviewed without that trust - I can call the hiring manager and say "This guy is missing ABC but he has XYZ, his attitude is great and I think you should interview him if that XYZ would be useful to you."
AJS - I completely agree with you, BUT, unfortunately IME a lot of Rec companies employ agents with no experience of the industry they are recruiting for. For example, if I look for people with nuclear experience for a specific job, the recruiter typically has no idea whether the applicant is bulls
tting so I get to interview someone who is totally unsuitable. The delta between their CV claimed skills and knowledge, and their real skills and knowledge is often huge This is where most Rec agencies fall over - their agents are just not suitably knowledgeable about the industry they deal with.
rhinochopig said:
AJS- said:
rhinochopig said:
Don't forget, most only get paid when they recruit so there is a massive incentive to send any old charlie for an interview.
Except that you lose credibility. I would not send a CV unless I thought this person was a good match for the job and would get on well with the hiring manager. Basically unless I think they will get hired.The reason being I don't want a hiring manager to see my email and think "what sort of a drongo has he sent this time." I want him to interview the candidate and offer him a job, so that I get paid. I want him to see my email and think "Oooh AJS has sent me a CV, what interview slots have I got available?"
Fostering a good relationship means repeat business, it also means that you can get placements that wouldn't even be interviewed without that trust - I can call the hiring manager and say "This guy is missing ABC but he has XYZ, his attitude is great and I think you should interview him if that XYZ would be useful to you."
AJS - I completely agree with you, BUT, unfortunately IME a lot of Rec companies employ agents with no experience of the industry they are recruiting for. For example, if I look for people with nuclear experience for a specific job, the recruiter typically has no idea whether the applicant is bulls
tting so I get to interview someone who is totally unsuitable. The delta between their CV claimed skills and knowledge, and their real skills and knowledge is often huge This is where most Rec agencies fall over - their agents are just not suitably knowledgeable about the industry they deal with.
The problem I see with many recruiters is that they pretend to know the industry better than they do. It is extremely useful for both clients and candidates to be able to explain what they do in intelligent laymans terms, and is usually a wise investment of time at the start of the process.
You can usually spot a bulls
tter by narrowing it down to facts. Unless they tell an outright lie which most people don't, then it's just a case of being able to have, in layman's terms, what this person has achieved and how. Gassing Station | Jobs & Employment Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff