Offer of settlement through ACAS
Offer of settlement through ACAS
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PintOfKittens

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1,336 posts

218 months

Thursday 10th March 2011
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Im heading off to the ET in 6 weeks, and I have had an offer of settlement through ACAS for 50% of the offer - are offers of settlement though ACAS subject to Without Prejudice rules?

fergywales

1,624 posts

222 months

Thursday 10th March 2011
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Any offer of settlement prior to a hearing has without prejudice privilege, either implied or stated, in relation to the ongoing matter. It will be looked at in a very negative manner if you are considering attempting to use an offer of settlement as proof of wrongdoing (I may be jumping the gun, but have had this question asked in the not too distant past), use it as a starting point in negotiations.

PintOfKittens

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Thursday 10th March 2011
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fergywales said:
to use an offer of settlement as proof of wrongdoing (I may be jumping the gun, but have had this question asked in the not too distant past), use it as a starting point in negotiations.
whistlewhistle

Thanks fergywales...

matt12023

485 posts

224 months

Sunday 20th March 2011
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Just finished my 3 day ET on friday, awaiting judgement by post. I'd made an offer to settle becuase I did not want the stress of the ET, it was completely ignored though and wasn't brought up at all. Watching my barrister at work was a joy to behold smile hopefully it goes my way

PintOfKittens

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1,336 posts

218 months

Monday 21st March 2011
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I keep getting silly stupid low offers from the other side. I have written proof, they have ONE witness that supports otherwise. Said witness' statement has holes big enough to drive a whole tribunal through.

Tempted to tell them to fk off and see them at tribunal.

matt12023

485 posts

224 months

Monday 21st March 2011
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you doing it yourself or solicitor or barrister? I'd go for it if your confident in your case

PintOfKittens

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218 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Cant afford solicitor/barrister, so doing it myself. Although it appears that they have started stting monumental sized bricks, so might not need to goto tribunal.

Bonefish Blues

36,023 posts

251 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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PintOfKittens said:
Cant afford solicitor/barrister, so doing it myself. Although it appears that they have started stting monumental sized bricks, so might not need to goto tribunal.
Keep pushing - best offer will be late in the day when they can see you're totally serious. Trouble is, you will also have done most of the work by then, too.

fergywales

1,624 posts

222 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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PintOfKittens said:
Cant afford solicitor/barrister, so doing it myself. Although it appears that they have started stting monumental sized bricks, so might not need to goto tribunal.
Who has provided you with advice thus far?

Suggest a chat with www.communitylegaladvice.org.uk if you have had nothing concrete to date.

As stated, expect a reasonable settlement offer very close to the hearing, and consider it properly unless, having received advice, you are certain you could gain more from an ET result. As in anything legal, it comes down to the person(s) hearing the case, and you cannot determine their decision beforehand.

edc

9,574 posts

279 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Don't underestimate the task of having to actually go to ET by yourself and do all the cross-examining. I went to one such case and the guy was a smart enough cookie and always came across as reasonably calm and collected. He had worked in a role which required negotiation skills, asking questions, closing etc etc but come the day all of this seemed to go out of the window. Despite the negativity of our Barrister we were on late morning and going home having won just after lunch. The ET chair normally will 'help' you out if you are on your own but I have also seen lone claimants given quite a tough time for asking supposedly repeat questions, aimless questions, re-reading the notes or witness statements and for what comes across as time-wasting but is more likely them being tongue-tied. This intejection from the panel can be off-putting and really throw you off your stride. I have also been at (a small few) cases where we are effectively still in negotiation on settlement as we are walking through the door of the ET itself and where we have asked for an adjournment to the start time to see if we could settle. In most of the ET cases I have been to, despite your team's best prep there is nearly always a 'surprise' either from the claimant or the defendant and it is how you deal with these scenarios that seems to leave a lingering taste.

PintOfKittens

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218 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Everything's been prepped off my own back - iv been reading http://etclaims.co.uk/, and got the book recommended from there - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Employment-Tribunal-Claims... - and reading things off the internet.

Hearing date was in 2 weeks, but we have just come to an agreement - I could have gotten a bit more (10%) if it went to tribunal, but I think thats a good price to not have to take a day off work, and hoof it to the ET and go through hearing.

Thanks everyone for your help and support!

fergywales

1,624 posts

222 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Does the settlement also include an NDA? If so, push the 10%...

PintOfKittens

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Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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fergywales said:
Does the settlement also include an NDA? If so, push the 10%...
Only thing the settlement has is "Without admission of liability" on their part, and the part where I agree to indemnify them against Tax/NI losses.

Its already been agreed though frown Too late to change things.

fergywales

1,624 posts

222 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Agreed or signed?

If just agreed, consider whether the other side would 'play dirty' before deciding what to do.

PintOfKittens

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Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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fergywales said:
Agreed or signed?

If just agreed, consider whether the other side would 'play dirty' before deciding what to do.
It was sorted out through ACAS, from the ACAS guy who sorted it out:

If you accept the wording I will inform the Respondent of this and when I do so a legally binding agreement will be in place and it will not be possible for you to alter the agreement as I will notify the tribunal of settlement and they will cancel the hearing, so it is important that you are happy that you understand the wording.




matt12023

485 posts

224 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Good work

I'm lucky I could afford a solicitor and barrister, it was all tied up in the disability discrimination act and i'd have had no bloody chance on my own.

just have to wait for the decision now frown

PintOfKittens

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Wednesday 23rd March 2011
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matt12023 said:
Good work

I'm lucky I could afford a solicitor and barrister, it was all tied up in the disability discrimination act and i'd have had no bloody chance on my own.

just have to wait for the decision now frown
A few weeks after I filled in ET1, I renewed my car insurance, and the new policy had legal insurance, but said it wouldnt apply for cases before I signed up to them, so I was stuck on my own...

PintOfKittens

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Thursday 24th March 2011
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COT3 forms recieved, signed and lunchtime i'll goto post office to send by special delivery...