(M5) Surely using S6 P500S must damage the car?
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Now im getting fully to grips with the E61 im starting to use / abuse the beast a bit more. Im now fairly confident with low speed drifting and flicking and have started to wind the revs up to make the most of the whole of the power band. For the most part of the learning process the M button was programmed for S5 P500S with M Dynamic mode and i found that very positive yet comfortable under hard acceleration / shifting. No banging into gear but hard enough to throw your head back when changing up. Yesterday i decided, seeing as the weather is more suitable to ramp it up to S6 with the DSC off. Driving on some back roads i let rip all the way to circa 8krpm and tapped the right hand paddle. BANG!!! went the clutch as the next gear was selected. 8krpm again and BANG!! went the next cog. A little research suggests this is normal in S6. But how the hell does this not damage the drivetrain? It really is very violent.
Is this the same for the rest of you?
Eddie
Is this the same for the rest of you?
Eddie
I push my M button every day when I get in. It's set to S6 with P500S. I actually love the bang as it goes into the next gear at 8k, it makes the car feel a bit more of a hardcore beast rather than a Limo.
Although I have no worries at all that the clutch can take it, I am more worried about the diff mountings in the floor
Although I have no worries at all that the clutch can take it, I am more worried about the diff mountings in the floor
Leave it in S3 if you value your gearbox...
Have a chat with the likes of Black Falcon who have run SMG ///Ms (CSLs mind, not M5s) in the VLN, and they said that there is no difference in actual acceleration between the modes... just the longevity of the gearbox.
I ran my CSL at the 'Ring in S2/S3 and found it no slower and no less efficient than those guys running in S6 (all of us were circa 8min laps so not hanging around).
M5s could be different, but my understanding of the SMG box is that they all basically work the same way between the M-cars. I could be wrong of course...
Have a chat with the likes of Black Falcon who have run SMG ///Ms (CSLs mind, not M5s) in the VLN, and they said that there is no difference in actual acceleration between the modes... just the longevity of the gearbox.
I ran my CSL at the 'Ring in S2/S3 and found it no slower and no less efficient than those guys running in S6 (all of us were circa 8min laps so not hanging around).
M5s could be different, but my understanding of the SMG box is that they all basically work the same way between the M-cars. I could be wrong of course...
ecain63 said:
To be honest I don't think you can compare the E46 CSL box with an E60 / 61 M5 box. The M5 box is much stronger and with more up to date internals.
the old SMGII (CSL) vs SMGIII (E60 M5) debate... a quick search will reveal the SMG III was not that highly lauded compared to the SMG II in terms of reliability.Not an argument I wanna get caught up in to be honest but you are comparing 2 completely different cars. Asside from the massive power difference the M5 (especially the 61 Tourer) has a distinct weight excess to be considered. Early SMG3's were pretty poor I agree but the later ones, 56 plate and on are pretty bomb proof. Only the release bearings give cause for concern.
Eddie
Eddie
Not wanting to argue at all either. You asked for thoughts on whether S6 in SMGIII will damage the car... I responded by offering some thoughts on the SMGII issues, that have been discussed ad nauseum in comparison to SMGIII.
So in response to your original question, probably yes! But as always, YMMV...
So in response to your original question, probably yes! But as always, YMMV...
You have to be very circumspect.
I've found it possible to ameliorate the jolt almost totally, even when bathing au natural by adopting a feathering technique; it's 99% effective ito smoothness but applying full hammer without a soupçon of restraint will result in disappointment as much as rapture, imho.
In truth, this means 'going at it' at something less than 10/10ths which afaic, suits the GT nature if the cars: sort of involving but in a curiously relaxed fashion.
It's probably the main reason for people passing the cars on; a design flaw/weakness which with hindsight, they (in München) probably rue. Indeed, I recall my first experiences with the cars when they first came out and tbh, hated it; there is a fine line between brutally excellent and downright unpleasant which can only be accepted via experience and a greater appreciation of these cars' broader accomplishments.
Be wary of believing you have tamed the beast, btw; these cars are much friskier and can be far less benign in their breakaway characteristics than the almost pendulous demi-arcs that could be the signature of earlier M designs.
I've found it possible to ameliorate the jolt almost totally, even when bathing au natural by adopting a feathering technique; it's 99% effective ito smoothness but applying full hammer without a soupçon of restraint will result in disappointment as much as rapture, imho.
In truth, this means 'going at it' at something less than 10/10ths which afaic, suits the GT nature if the cars: sort of involving but in a curiously relaxed fashion.
It's probably the main reason for people passing the cars on; a design flaw/weakness which with hindsight, they (in München) probably rue. Indeed, I recall my first experiences with the cars when they first came out and tbh, hated it; there is a fine line between brutally excellent and downright unpleasant which can only be accepted via experience and a greater appreciation of these cars' broader accomplishments.
Be wary of believing you have tamed the beast, btw; these cars are much friskier and can be far less benign in their breakaway characteristics than the almost pendulous demi-arcs that could be the signature of earlier M designs.
derestrictor said:
You have to be very circumspect.
I've found it possible to ameliorate the jolt almost totally, even when bathing au natural by adopting a feathering technique; it's 99% effective ito smoothness but applying full hammer without a soupçon of restraint will result in disappointment as much as rapture, imho.
No sorry didn't understand a word, in English please. I've found it possible to ameliorate the jolt almost totally, even when bathing au natural by adopting a feathering technique; it's 99% effective ito smoothness but applying full hammer without a soupçon of restraint will result in disappointment as much as rapture, imho.
manand38 said:
I lift off the accelerator when changing gears. Is this wrong?
THAT is just plain rude! The poor beast WANTS to be beasted and feel Eddies bang (pardon the inuendo!) I love S6 at 8k, somewhere on M5board there is a list of shift times at different RPMs and it was actually a quicker shift than the Ferrari 360 which was current at production time by almost twice the speed! Also it's awsome to see unsuspecting passengers experience it for the first time 
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