F10 M5 more power than quoted?
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Ive been watching the grape vine and it seems that things are not all they seem with the new F10. On top of the rhumour mill saying that the new engine is in fact good for 600bhp as standard the cooler weather might be aiding the engine in producing way more than that. Some say that standard cars doing dyno runs are showing over 613bhp in the US mid states which could mean more in the cooler north. A few calculations by a yank owner, verified by a couple of geek moments show that correction down to 40f will give around 620bhp. The same was going on with my RS6 when comparing summer and winter runs.
On top of that the timed performance figures are supporting this theory. If the F10 actually had the booked 560bhp the older E60 could catch the new car out above 100mph, which would be embarrasing for BMW. The proof is in that the F10 is quicker in all scenarios. 1/4 mile times, 0-100, 0-60, 30-70 etc and associated geeky calculations would suggest from stock you are looking at over 600bhp.
Thats going to put the wind up Audi! Its just a shame that the new F10 motor wont be as tunable without new turbos. Audi V10TT inc a MRC map, Filters and Miltek = 780bhp+
Eddie
On top of that the timed performance figures are supporting this theory. If the F10 actually had the booked 560bhp the older E60 could catch the new car out above 100mph, which would be embarrasing for BMW. The proof is in that the F10 is quicker in all scenarios. 1/4 mile times, 0-100, 0-60, 30-70 etc and associated geeky calculations would suggest from stock you are looking at over 600bhp.
Thats going to put the wind up Audi! Its just a shame that the new F10 motor wont be as tunable without new turbos. Audi V10TT inc a MRC map, Filters and Miltek = 780bhp+
Eddie
I do get confused with all these numbers, but humour me, i'm old. Numbers may mean loads in the pub pissing contest, but of more importance is surely;
How does it drive?
How can it transmit the power it has?
Do i have the ability to use what it has?
A car going at x speed in a straight line means the square root of fekkal...doesn't it?
How much speed can it carry through a turn and how early can you get on the power, balancing it with just 1 foot and 2 hands...thats what makes a car, does it not?
Many will buy an M5, few will know how to use it.
How does it drive?
How can it transmit the power it has?
Do i have the ability to use what it has?
A car going at x speed in a straight line means the square root of fekkal...doesn't it?
How much speed can it carry through a turn and how early can you get on the power, balancing it with just 1 foot and 2 hands...thats what makes a car, does it not?
Many will buy an M5, few will know how to use it.
roofer said:
I do get confused with all these numbers, but humour me, i'm old. Numbers may mean loads in the pub pissing contest, but of more importance is surely;
How does it drive?
How can it transmit the power it has?
Do i have the ability to use what it has?
A car going at x speed in a straight line means the square root of fekkal...doesn't it?
How much speed can it carry through a turn and how earlty can you get on the
power, balancing it with just 1 foot and 2 hands...thats what makes a car, does it not?
Many will buy an M5, few will know how to use it.
That wasnt my point. Just interested to see its true colours.How does it drive?
How can it transmit the power it has?
Do i have the ability to use what it has?
A car going at x speed in a straight line means the square root of fekkal...doesn't it?
How much speed can it carry through a turn and how earlty can you get on the
power, balancing it with just 1 foot and 2 hands...thats what makes a car, does it not?
Many will buy an M5, few will know how to use it.
roofer said:
I do get confused with all these numbers, but humour me, i'm old. Numbers may mean loads in the pub pissing contest, but of more importance is surely;
How does it drive?
How can it transmit the power it has?
Do i have the ability to use what it has?
A car going at x speed in a straight line means the square root of fekkal...doesn't it?
How much speed can it carry through a turn and how earlty can you get on the
power, balancing it with just 1 foot and 2 hands...thats what makes a car, does it not?
Many will buy an M5, few will know how to use it.
That wasnt my point. Just interested to see its true colours.How does it drive?
How can it transmit the power it has?
Do i have the ability to use what it has?
A car going at x speed in a straight line means the square root of fekkal...doesn't it?
How much speed can it carry through a turn and how earlty can you get on the
power, balancing it with just 1 foot and 2 hands...thats what makes a car, does it not?
Many will buy an M5, few will know how to use it.
roofer said:
I do get confused with all these numbers, but humour me, i'm old. Numbers may mean loads in the pub pissing contest, but of more importance is surely;
How does it drive?
How can it transmit the power it has?
Do i have the ability to use what it has?
A car going at x speed in a straight line means the square root of fekkal...doesn't it?
How much speed can it carry through a turn and how early can you get on the power, balancing it with just 1 foot and 2 hands...thats what makes a car, does it not?
Many will buy an M5, few will know how to use it.
Tbh it was the fastest car I had ever driven by far and my gut feeling is my previous porsche GTS and GT3's would of been left behind in its wake. It was so fast that in the 24 hours I had it i had lost the back end three times in a straight line just using the full power!How does it drive?
How can it transmit the power it has?
Do i have the ability to use what it has?
A car going at x speed in a straight line means the square root of fekkal...doesn't it?
How much speed can it carry through a turn and how early can you get on the power, balancing it with just 1 foot and 2 hands...thats what makes a car, does it not?
Many will buy an M5, few will know how to use it.
After 24 hours I came away thinking that if I bought one I would either lose my license or something worse.
I felt it had quite a bit more than 560 bhp...
Chipper said:
roofer said:
I do get confused with all these numbers, but humour me, i'm old. Numbers may mean loads in the pub pissing contest, but of more importance is surely;
How does it drive?
How can it transmit the power it has?
Do i have the ability to use what it has?
A car going at x speed in a straight line means the square root of fekkal...doesn't it?
How much speed can it carry through a turn and how early can you get on the power, balancing it with just 1 foot and 2 hands...thats what makes a car, does it not?
Many will buy an M5, few will know how to use it.
Tbh it was the fastest car I had ever driven by far and my gut feeling is my previous porsche GTS and GT3's would of been left behind in its wake. It was so fast that in the 24 hours I had it i had lost the back end three times in a straight line just using the full power!How does it drive?
How can it transmit the power it has?
Do i have the ability to use what it has?
A car going at x speed in a straight line means the square root of fekkal...doesn't it?
How much speed can it carry through a turn and how early can you get on the power, balancing it with just 1 foot and 2 hands...thats what makes a car, does it not?
Many will buy an M5, few will know how to use it.
After 24 hours I came away thinking that if I bought one I would either lose my license or something worse.
I felt it had quite a bit more than 560 bhp...
roofer said:
Chipper said:
roofer said:
I do get confused with all these numbers, but humour me, i'm old. Numbers may mean loads in the pub pissing contest, but of more importance is surely;
How does it drive?
How can it transmit the power it has?
Do i have the ability to use what it has?
A car going at x speed in a straight line means the square root of fekkal...doesn't it?
How much speed can it carry through a turn and how early can you get on the power, balancing it with just 1 foot and 2 hands...thats what makes a car, does it not?
Many will buy an M5, few will know how to use it.
Tbh it was the fastest car I had ever driven by far and my gut feeling is my previous porsche GTS and GT3's would of been left behind in its wake. It was so fast that in the 24 hours I had it i had lost the back end three times in a straight line just using the full power!How does it drive?
How can it transmit the power it has?
Do i have the ability to use what it has?
A car going at x speed in a straight line means the square root of fekkal...doesn't it?
How much speed can it carry through a turn and how early can you get on the power, balancing it with just 1 foot and 2 hands...thats what makes a car, does it not?
Many will buy an M5, few will know how to use it.
After 24 hours I came away thinking that if I bought one I would either lose my license or something worse.
I felt it had quite a bit more than 560 bhp...
this is very interesting eddie, good post.
roofer said:
Chipper said:
roofer said:
I do get confused with all these numbers, but humour me, i'm old. Numbers may mean loads in the pub pissing contest, but of more importance is surely;
How does it drive?
How can it transmit the power it has?
Do i have the ability to use what it has?
A car going at x speed in a straight line means the square root of fekkal...doesn't it?
How much speed can it carry through a turn and how early can you get on the power, balancing it with just 1 foot and 2 hands...thats what makes a car, does it not?
Many will buy an M5, few will know how to use it.
Tbh it was the fastest car I had ever driven by far and my gut feeling is my previous porsche GTS and GT3's would of been left behind in its wake. It was so fast that in the 24 hours I had it i had lost the back end three times in a straight line just using the full power!How does it drive?
How can it transmit the power it has?
Do i have the ability to use what it has?
A car going at x speed in a straight line means the square root of fekkal...doesn't it?
How much speed can it carry through a turn and how early can you get on the power, balancing it with just 1 foot and 2 hands...thats what makes a car, does it not?
Many will buy an M5, few will know how to use it.
After 24 hours I came away thinking that if I bought one I would either lose my license or something worse.
I felt it had quite a bit more than 560 bhp...
whilst I dont doubt its running more than the quoted 560bhp, I suspect the big difference being felt here is the massive torque advantage against the E60 M5 or a GT3 and the fact that the engine doesn't rev as hard as either so a completely different type of engine?
Have they moved the new M5 into more of an AMG type of car?
Gotta love turbos, what the hell would the E60 feel like with a pair
Edited by andygtt on Tuesday 3rd January 09:28
andygtt said:
quite a few cars that have more communication than porsche if you look hard enough... gotta say though that I don't care how much power the M5 has, it wont lap a circuit as quick as a GT3 IMO.
Uwhilst I dont doubt its running more than the quoted 560bhp, I suspect the big difference being felt here is the massive torque advantage against the E60 M5 or a GT3 and the fact that the engine doesn't rev as hard as either so a completely different type of engine?
Have they moved the new M5 into more of an AMG type of car?
Gotta love turbos, what the hell would the E60 feel like with a pair
Most likely like an RS6.Uwhilst I dont doubt its running more than the quoted 560bhp, I suspect the big difference being felt here is the massive torque advantage against the E60 M5 or a GT3 and the fact that the engine doesn't rev as hard as either so a completely different type of engine?
Have they moved the new M5 into more of an AMG type of car?
Gotta love turbos, what the hell would the E60 feel like with a pair
Edited by andygtt on Tuesday 3rd January 09:28
ecain63 said:
smokey145 said:
have you driven an E60 M5/E63 M6? how did the power compare?
this is very interesting eddie, good post.
M5 vs M6? Can't say anyone would see a difference seeing as its the same engine shared in a very similar body weight.this is very interesting eddie, good post.
Eddie
Even if I'm wrong, it's a question I'm interested in knowing the answer to
With regards to the F10 M5 and the E60 M5 they are different cars totally imo. The new just pulls in any gear and any speed, the old one needed to be revved hard!! The new one in my view does also liked to be revved but theres not a massive need for it!
In regards to comparing it to a RS6 I personally think thats wide of the mark the F10 is a far better car!
In regards to comparing it to a RS6 I personally think thats wide of the mark the F10 is a far better car!
David 997t said:
With regards to the F10 M5 and the E60 M5 they are different cars totally imo. The new just pulls in any gear and any speed, the old one needed to be revved hard!! The new one in my view does also liked to be revved but theres not a massive need for it!
In regards to comparing it to a RS6 I personally think thats wide of the mark the F10 is a far better car!
agreed, the F10 is a far better car. I only answered RS6 with regard to what the V10 E60 would be like with 2 turbos in terms of power.In regards to comparing it to a RS6 I personally think thats wide of the mark the F10 is a far better car!
As for the E60 vs F10 experience. You cannot compare really. One is a pure performance machine, the other a performance focussed wafter.
David 997t said:
With regards to the F10 M5 and the E60 M5 they are different cars totally imo. The new just pulls in any gear and any speed, the old one needed to be revved hard!! The new one in my view does also liked to be revved but theres not a massive need for it!
In regards to comparing it to a RS6 I personally think thats wide of the mark the F10 is a far better car!
agreed, the F10 is a far better car. I only answered RS6 with regard to what the V10 E60 would be like with 2 turbos in terms of power.In regards to comparing it to a RS6 I personally think thats wide of the mark the F10 is a far better car!
As for the E60 vs F10 experience. You cannot compare really. One is a pure performance machine, the other a performance focussed wafter.
ecain63 said:
agreed, the F10 is a far better car. I only answered RS6 with regard to what the V10 E60 would be like with 2 turbos in terms of power.
As for the E60 vs F10 experience. You cannot compare really. One is a pure performance machine, the other a performance focussed wafter.
Not sure if I totally agree to be honest! The F10 feels more of a wafter because of the torque levels, when you start to grab it by the scruff of the neck and give it maximum rev's it comes alive like the E60 does. The only difference being the higher rev's of the V10.As for the E60 vs F10 experience. You cannot compare really. One is a pure performance machine, the other a performance focussed wafter.
I have had the car just under a month now and the more I drive it the more I love it much the same as when I had my V10!!
Neither car is pure performance machine they are BOTH 4 door saloons that can push a 100k + car down the road with the kids in the back!! JMO
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