Evolve - Remap Group Buy - Via M3Cutters Forum
Evolve - Remap Group Buy - Via M3Cutters Forum
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MrAMS101

Original Poster:

21 posts

186 months

Friday 23rd March 2012
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Hi Chaps

I thought i'd pop a post on here for those who may be interested in a Remap.

Via the M3Cutters forum, a group buy for the remap is in progress, I'm signed up and will be getting my map done soon.

Normally they charge around £400 and its £325 with the Group Buy (for the E46 M3) And they do remap other cars, so if unsure contact them direct and also they will confirm prices accordingly.

Let me know if you want me to put you on the Group Buy List, if you're not already signed up on the forum.

Here's the Link:

http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?p=689...

Trellis

590 posts

265 months

Friday 23rd March 2012
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what are the expected gains?

MrAMS101

Original Poster:

21 posts

186 months

Friday 23rd March 2012
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Generally speaking 15-20 bhp and better general driveability.

Worth giving Evolve a call if you have any further questions.

shantybeater

1,202 posts

195 months

Saturday 24th March 2012
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Link goes to a guy talking about exhausts? when is it? I'm interested, I assume my z3m would be ok as it has the s54 from the e46m3

MrAMS101

Original Poster:

21 posts

186 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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correct link:

http://forums.m3cutters.co.uk/showthread.php?p=691...



Sorry chaps that was wrongs, thanks for letting me know. correct link is above

And yes they can do Z3/Z4 etc.

Once payment has been made and approved by evolve, you just book in a convenient time/date. Minimum 10 pple required.


Hope this helps

playalistic

2,270 posts

190 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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MrAMS101 said:
Generally speaking 15-20 bhp and better general driveability.

Worth giving Evolve a call if you have any further questions.
15 - 20bhp gain from a remap? I think not.

Trellis

590 posts

265 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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the evolve website shows dynos of 15-20. apparently std cars make c.330bhp? can anyone vouch for this? - never had mine on a dyno....

FeelingLucky

1,183 posts

190 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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This is what M division should have done instead of spending millions on further developing the engine to achieve the same gains for the CSL

Herbie75

23 posts

217 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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FeelingLucky said:
This is what M division should have done instead of spending millions on further developing the engine to achieve the same gains for the CSL
Standard m3 probably putting out 330bhp as mentioned above, CSL 360bhp. So the Evolve remap gives you 15bhp and you are back to the quoted figures, still a way off CSL power though. Understand now?

MrAMS101

Original Poster:

21 posts

186 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Hello chaps,

i'm not going to have a discussion about how much extra bhp the remap gives on the M3.

If you think the gains are a load of tosh then thats excellent, Save money and don't get the remap.


For those who want to feel the extra gains then contact Evolve.

Just making people aware that a Remap Group Buy is available.

Good luck chaps


FeelingLucky

1,183 posts

190 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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Herbie75 said:
FeelingLucky said:
This is what M division should have done instead of spending millions on further developing the engine to achieve the same gains for the CSL
Standard m3 probably putting out 330bhp as mentioned above, CSL 360bhp. So the Evolve remap gives you 15bhp and you are back to the quoted figures, still a way off CSL power though. Understand now?
Probably, I love to see that word on a spec sheet.

E46 M3: 343 PS (252 kW; 338 hp) @ 7900 rpm

CSL improves that by 17 hp (13 kW) and 5 N·m

Probably.

If the closing question is regarding your figures, then, NO, I don't.

Stinkfoot

2,245 posts

218 months

Thursday 12th April 2012
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I think Evolve are just about the most respected name in the UK for tuning BMWs. They have no need to up power claims.

playalistic

2,270 posts

190 months

Thursday 12th April 2012
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Stinkfoot said:
I think Evolve are just about the most respected name in the UK for tuning BMWs. They have no need to up power claims.
Yeah, not when there are plenty of gullible fools willing to part with their hard-earned regardless. rolleyes

Ranger 6

7,605 posts

275 months

Thursday 12th April 2012
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playalistic said:
MrAMS101 said:
Generally speaking 15-20 bhp and better general driveability.

Worth giving Evolve a call if you have any further questions.
15 - 20bhp gain from a remap? I think not.
I don't doubt it - I've seen +15bhp on a 130i from a different tuner.

playalistic

2,270 posts

190 months

Thursday 12th April 2012
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Ranger 6 said:
I don't doubt it - I've seen +15bhp on a 130i from a different tuner.
Which doesn't have an S54 engine...

Ranger 6

7,605 posts

275 months

Thursday 12th April 2012
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Which means....? smile

playalistic

2,270 posts

190 months

Thursday 12th April 2012
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Do you really need me to point out the differences in states of tune for particular engines or applications of engines? Especially between M and non-M engines which we are comparing here. It is well proven that there is no "real" gain to be had from remapping an S54 engine as they're in such a high state of tune already from the factory. Especially via a two bob plug-in-a-laptop-and-upload-a-generic-map job. I can understand some small expectation if the car is live mapped and has exhaust/intake mods which might free up some ponies but not otherwise.

Ranger 6

7,605 posts

275 months

Thursday 12th April 2012
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playalistic said:
...It is well proven that there is no "real" gain to be had from remapping an S54 engine...
I'm sure someone will be along in a mo with a RR print-out hehe

Seriously though, if they were in that high state of tune then M3s would be pretty fragile things and the 100k+ miles cars doing laps of the Ring would be a pipe dream. I've never owned one but they've always appeared to be pretty strong to me, which means IMHO there's always gains to be made, so my guess is that 15bhp is a reasonable expectation for a map like that, more would be nice of course but it's not me paying the money smile

FeelingLucky

1,183 posts

190 months

Thursday 12th April 2012
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Ranger 6 said:
I'm sure someone will be along in a mo with a RR print-out hehe

Seriously though, if they were in that high state of tune then M3s would be pretty fragile things and the 100k+ miles cars doing laps of the Ring would be a pipe dream. I've never owned one but they've always appeared to be pretty strong to me, which means IMHO there's always gains to be made, so my guess is that 15bhp is a reasonable expectation for a map like that, more would be nice of course but it's not me paying the money smile
Yet BMW M division spent hundreds of thousands and changed many parts in order to acheive +17BHP.
As I stated initially, they should have just applied a remap, far easier.

Crackie

6,386 posts

268 months

Friday 13th April 2012
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playalistic said:
It is well proven that there is no "real" gain to be had from remapping an S54 engine as they're in such a high state of tune already from the factory. Especially via a two bob plug-in-a-laptop-and-upload-a-generic-map job. I can understand some small expectation if the car is live mapped and has exhaust/intake mods which might free up some ponies but not otherwise.
I'm one of the many, as you say, gullible fools who have parted with their hard earned for a generic Evolve map on their M3; the power and torque gains are relatively small on paper but they're easily felt on the road and Imho the extra power, sharper throttle response, removal of flat spots and smoother running when the engine is cold are easily worth the money. The reduced £325 group buy price is a bonus.

I notice you have Z4M roadster; "it is well proven that there is no "real" gain to be had from" fitting an induction kit to an S54 engine; yet some gullible fool was willing to pay big money, relative to the remap cost above, just for their car to sound different. Gruppe M induction on an S54 is about 1500 pounds plus fitting i believe. I doubt the person who paid for it was forced to have the work done; the the people interested in the group buy can spend their hard earned how they see fit too.

Edited by Crackie on Friday 13th April 08:07