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Nothing like a bit of rumour to spark a debate....
So I was in the showroom yesterday reading the latest edition of BMW Car Magazine. The theory goes that M division are most likely working on an all new V6 engine with twin turbos. Something about the V shape enables the turbos to be fixed closer enabling better economy. All other possible engine variants including a de-tuned V8 from the M5 or an even better 6cl from the 1M threatens the market of each respectively - so it seems to stack up the next car could be a V6.
Target build date being Sep 2013, although this is a year too early in their model cycle isn't it?
So what does the PH massive know??
So I was in the showroom yesterday reading the latest edition of BMW Car Magazine. The theory goes that M division are most likely working on an all new V6 engine with twin turbos. Something about the V shape enables the turbos to be fixed closer enabling better economy. All other possible engine variants including a de-tuned V8 from the M5 or an even better 6cl from the 1M threatens the market of each respectively - so it seems to stack up the next car could be a V6.
Target build date being Sep 2013, although this is a year too early in their model cycle isn't it?
So what does the PH massive know??
I believe a twin turbo V6 is already confirmed.
There's also the rumours that the saloon will be a //M3 and the coupe designated the //M4.
I guess, in line with the new standard 3 series that weight may be reduced with the help of these carbon/plastic composites that BMW have invested in recently.
Power will be up a bit, torque considerably up on current //M3.
I think the next exciting BMW in the range will be the i8.
There's also the rumours that the saloon will be a //M3 and the coupe designated the //M4.
I guess, in line with the new standard 3 series that weight may be reduced with the help of these carbon/plastic composites that BMW have invested in recently.
Power will be up a bit, torque considerably up on current //M3.
I think the next exciting BMW in the range will be the i8.
E30M3SE said:
Big E 118 said:
I believe a twin turbo V6 is already confirmed.
BY BMW?I must have missed that, got a link?
http://www.autocar.co.uk/www.autocar.co.uk/News/Ne...
Most speculation goes for a V to for packaging reasons and to significantly differentiate it from the N54 1M IL twin turbo 6.
There was a patent drawing that was supposed to have been submited by BMW that showed two groups of three circles with two other small boxes, each of which was connected to one of the groups of three. A copy of this was published in some of the mags last year which started the speculation about a V6 as it was assumed that the drawing showed two banks of three cylinders each connected to a turbo.
caraddict said:
Isn't anything holy anymore? V6 and forced induction in an M3...
This saddens me.
Doubt it will make any difference to expected sales. If headline figures are 'right' that's all that will count presuming the chassis dynamics are as expected. Everybody seems rave about the ugly turbo'ed 1M........say no more! This saddens me.
Johnboy Mac said:
Doubt it will make any difference to expected sales. If headline figures are 'right' that's all that will count presuming the chassis dynamics are as expected. Everybody seems rave about the ugly turbo'ed 1M........say no more!
No doubt that the M engineers will make sure the car is a proper M3. But... I guess the purist days are over...I used to think a lot about collecting enough money to me a brand new E90 M3 (but that's easier said than done because they cost 160.000 £ where I'm from), so that I could have what could be the last naturally aspirated M-car...
And X6 M? God...
chris116 said:
There was a patent drawing that was supposed to have been submited by BMW that showed two groups of three circles with two other small boxes, each of which was connected to one of the groups of three. A copy of this was published in some of the mags last year which started the speculation about a V6 as it was assumed that the drawing showed two banks of three cylinders each connected to a turbo.
Yes, I read this as well. They was even speculation about 3 turbos, 1 small fast spooling turbo per bank and a larger turbo for ooomphh (that's the techie term..). BMW already do this with the IL6 tri turbo diesels but they were talking about packaging the turbos in the V to make the engine smaller. I would think there would be some pretty significant heat build up with that configuration though.
NIIKME said:
Can you elaborate? I don't understand the relevance of degrees but recall the article talking about all sorts of degrees options - wish I had the article to hand now!
A 90deg 'V' is not an optimal, from an efficency prospective, angle for a V6 engine, so if it is a S63 (F10 M5 engine) with 2 cylinder lopped off it will require some addition tricks to smooth out vibrations such as balancer shafts and crankshaft to even out the firing order, not beyond BMW's expertise but a I6 would be soo much cheaper.caraddict said:
Isn't anything holy anymore? V6 and forced induction in an M3...
This saddens me.
I don't know why people continue to plough this furrow... so what? the previous generations were a revvy 4 pot and 6 pots but things change and move on. This saddens me.
And anyway, BMW have gone turbo before.
torres del paine said:
I don't know why people continue to plough this furrow... so what? the previous generations were a revvy 4 pot and 6 pots but things change and move on.
And anyway, BMW have gone turbo before.
Because the nicest engine is generally an n/a especially a screamer, beit a 4,6 or 8cyl, no matter if it's 20th or the 21st century. It's just sad that emmissions & manufacturing cost cutting have given turbo's the nod. And anyway, BMW have gone turbo before.
torres del paine said:
I don't know why people continue to plough this furrow... so what? the previous generations were a revvy 4 pot and 6 pots but things change and move on.
And anyway, BMW have gone turbo before.
I can live with a V6, but an M-car is as much about noise and instant power delivery as it is about handling.And anyway, BMW have gone turbo before.
caraddict said:
I can live with a V6, but an M-car is as much about noise and instant power delivery as it is about handling.
Modern turbo tech can give lag free power delivery and they've got the noise side cover by pumping synthesised noise into the cabin via the cars audio system............ What more do you want? 
Don't agree with the current move towards FI, but it's the only way to keep the EU and Green brigade 'happy', afterall, just because a FI'd engine performs better in laboratory efficiency and fuel consumption test it doesn't mean that it does in the real world.............
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