Not Seen One of These Before...E30 M3 Hartge

[hesnotthemessiah]

In the UK anyhoo

Looks pretty special and quite rare by all acounts. The only other one I have ever seen was a while ago on Racecars Direct (a German advertiser I think).

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-E30-Hartge-M3-/22103...

[belleair302]

I believe they had a special number associated with them (H35-24) as only 6 came from Hartge and a number more were aftermarket kits. Believe the E34 M5 3.6L engine was dropped in plus some additional running parts. At around 330 bhp they must be a somewhat challenging ride. More dragster than pure sports coupe.

Hartge H36, based on the 2.3 l Euro M3 (only 6 made)
- 3.6 l E34 M5 modified engine, 330 PS.
- Hartge exhaust.
- Hartge sport suspension.
- Hartge 17" modular wheel/tyre set.
- Hartge special braking system.
- Hartge limited-slip differential.
- Hartge additional fuel tank 100 l.
- Hartge accessory pack.
Performance: 0-60 mph in 5.6 s, 0-1000 m in 24.9 s, top speed = 172 mph.
Cost in the UK in 1995: £28,814 GBP + VAT

Certainly NOT a Sport Evo.

[pikeyboy]

Hartges version of the Alpina B6 3.5S. Fast but I imagine it lacks the balance with which the four pot E30 M3 is bestowed with.

[ucb]

That's clearly showing a four pot motor in the pics.

[pikeyboy]

ucb said:

That's clearly showing a four pot motor in the pics.

Indeed it is, Hartge did a 2.5 conversion for the E30 M3, H24 IIRC.

[E30M3SE]

belleair302 said:

I believe they had a special number associated with them (H35-24) as only 6 came from Hartge and a number more were aftermarket kits. Believe the E34 M5 3.6L engine was dropped in plus some additional running parts. At around 330 bhp they must be a somewhat challenging ride. More dragster than pure sports coupe.

Hartge H36, based on the 2.3 l Euro M3 (only 6 made)
- 3.6 l E34 M5 modified engine, 330 PS.
- Hartge exhaust.
- Hartge sport suspension.
- Hartge 17" modular wheel/tyre set.
- Hartge special braking system.
- Hartge limited-slip differential.
- Hartge additional fuel tank 100 l.
- Hartge accessory pack.
Performance: 0-60 mph in 5.6 s, 0-1000 m in 24.9 s, top speed = 172 mph.
Cost in the UK in 1995: £28,814 GBP + VAT

Certainly NOT a Sport Evo.

Car in the ad look more like this,

Hartge M3-260, based on the 2.3 l Euro M3
- 2.5 l stroked engine, 260 PS.
- Hartge rear silencer.
- Hartge sport suspension.
- Hartge 16" monolithic alloy wheel/tyre set.
- Hartge accessory pack.
Performance: 0-60 mph in 5.9 s, 0-1000 m in 26.2 s, top speed = 158 mph.
Cost in the UK in 1995: £8,243 GBP + VAT.

Although with a RHD conversion (if it's using a period 325i rack, ) and 17" wheels, and the Motec, which is drawing in hot air..........


The other Hertge offering being the,

Hartge M3-240, based on the 2.3 l Euro M3
- 2.3 l engine, 240 PS.
- Hartge rear silencer.
- Hartge sport suspension.
- Hartge 16" monolithic alloy wheel/tyre set.
- Hartge accessory pack.
Performance: 0-60 mph in 6.1 s, 0-1000 m in 26.5 s, top speed = 150 mph.
Cost in the UK in 1995: £5,535 GBP + VAT.

Edited by E30M3SE on Tuesday 19th June 11:37

[TEKNOPUG]

It's a 2.5l conversion performed by Birds in the UK.

£36k......

[Cheburator mk2]

boy said:

Hartges version of the Alpina B6 3.5S. Fast but I imagine it lacks the balance with which the four pot E30 M3 is bestowed with.

Try telling this to Fabian at the Ring who regularly laps BTG in the 7:20s in his M1 Procar engined M3...

[Pig Skill]

Around 15 years ago I owned No1 Hartge E30 M3 RHD conversion. A white one.

I've often wondered what happened to it.

It had seen a fair few knocks and bangs iirc and I remember being horrified when I had an oil leak investigated and found it was coming from the diff. There was a hessian cloth wrapped around it with cable ties. I got rid shortly after trading it in for a sapphire cosworth.

[pikeyboy]

Cheburator mk2 said:

boy said:

Hartges version of the Alpina B6 3.5S. Fast but I imagine it lacks the balance with which the four pot E30 M3 is bestowed with.

Try telling this to Fabian at the Ring who regularly laps BTG in the 7:20s in his M1 Procar engined M3...

I didnt say they arent very fast and I dont want to get into a pissing contest re BTG times. However what I will say is swapping a compact 4 pot for a huge 6 pot that sticks out well over the the front wheels is never going to give more delicate handling is it?

[falkster]

The car has been listed quite a few times now over the last 3 months despite having met reserve but listed again??
I have done some home work on the car as I thought my mate/mechanic would have worked on it as he's the only decent M3 specialist around and he's worked on it a couple of times to rectify things done by the mechanic that completed most of the maintenance on the car.
It's a Hartge conversion rather than a factory Hartge, as pointed out already, or it would have 6 cylinders whereas this one is an E30 M3 with Hartge decals, alloys and a few other trinkets.

[belleair302]

I also believe that the plenum cover would say Hartge as would the VIN plate as Hartge have been a vehicle manufacturer since 1985.

[falkster]

belleair302 said:

I also believe that the plenum cover would say Hartge as would the VIN plate as Hartge have been a vehicle manufacturer since 1985.

But it's a conversion and not a factory model so might not have the Hartge vin plate.

[Slippydiff]

boy said:

I didnt say they arent very fast and I dont want to get into a pissing contest re BTG times. However what I will say is swapping a compact 4 pot for a huge 6 pot that sticks out well over the the front wheels is never going to give more delicate handling is it?

You'd think not, but having driven an Alpina B6 35S (E30 M3 with an Alpina tuned 3.5 litre six pot producing 260hp and more torque than the revvy original 4 pot could ever produce) I'd have to disagree. It was sublime, and whilst the engines method of power production was vastly different from the original, the handling/balance wasn't.

I drove the car back to back with my 964RS, over give and take UK B roads, the Alpina was waaaaay quicker and more capable
.
I can't remember what the increased weight penalty was over the four pot engine, but Alpina fitted the front springs off the air conditioned E30 M3 to compensate for the increased weight.
If you can find an original Alpina conversion, buy it ! !

I was also passengered in a Hartge modified E30 M3 that I planned to buy (it had a tuned version of the 24valve twin cam from he E28 M5) It was fast, but had lost all the delicacy of both the original and the Alpina tuned car. Put bluntly, it was hopeless (not to mention a badly and nastily executed conversion) Avoid.