E36 M3 woes... Aaargh
E36 M3 woes... Aaargh
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carreauchompeur

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18,308 posts

230 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Folks,

As you'll see from my profile, my ongoing bid to get my M3 how I want it is becoming frankly ridiculous.

The latest fun issue is that, when dipping the clutch for junctions, etc, the revs drop off too quickly and, especially with the aircon on, the car will stall once the revs drop off enough. It's generally feeling a little bit down on power too.

I've cleaned the idle control valve, replaced the throttle position sensor and replaced a number of vacuum pipes. There are no vacuum leaks that I can find.

Any cunning ideas about what to spank money on next?

I was wondering whether resetting the adaptation memory might help given the above components changed.

TEKNOPUG

20,401 posts

231 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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A working M3 scratchchinwink

So has this only developed since the trumpets/O-Rings/vacuum pipes etc were changed?

carreauchompeur

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18,308 posts

230 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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No, it had started doing this the week before...

So I'm stumped.

VinceFox

20,566 posts

198 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Have you had the codes read?

carreauchompeur

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Tuesday 28th August 2012
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Yep, no codes apart from the clutch switch that gets deleted with a braided hose... Only other electronic clues were the ICV being stuck open and the TPS registering low voltage- both now replaced!

TEKNOPUG

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231 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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carreauchompeur said:
Yep, no codes apart from the clutch switch that gets deleted with a braided hose... Only other electronic clues were the ICV being stuck open and the TPS registering low voltage- both now replaced!
Have you pulled the codes since the new parts have been on?

carreauchompeur

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Tuesday 28th August 2012
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No, it's going back in on Mon for brakes and an MoT so I'll get the codes read/adaptation memory reset then... Although this fault was there before!

rassi

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277 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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The symptoms are similar to what I experienced on my Z3M which was diagnosed by BMW as a failed Vanos, and replaced under warranty. This is of course worst case scenario!

Think you need to get it hooked up to a computer to see if any codes are stored - good luck.

carreauchompeur

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Tuesday 28th August 2012
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As you'll have seen from my comprehensive tale of expenditure I replaced the VANOS earlier in the year.... No codes! Aaargh bloody "modern classics".

TheEnd

15,370 posts

214 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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carreauchompeur said:
The latest fun issue is that, when dipping the clutch for junctions, etc, the revs drop off too quickly and, especially with the aircon on, the car will stall once the revs drop off enough. It's generally feeling a little bit down on power too.
carreauchompeur said:
Yep, no codes apart from the clutch switch that gets deleted with a braided hose...
The clues are there...

Get yourself the right braided line, there are version with the clutch sensor mount.
The ECU uses the clutch signal to figure out whether to go into an idle or engine braking mode.

carreauchompeur

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Tuesday 28th August 2012
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You'd have thought so, but the clutch hose had been there since March and working fine... AFAIK the only thing the sensor on the clutch does is a nanny mode in first.

carreauchompeur

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Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Someone, please, throw more ideas at me. Anyone ever had fuel pressure regulator problems? I can't think it's a vacuum leak since we've gone through the whole system and the idle is very even now. MAF?

pat_y

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227 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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worth trying the MAF, unplug and go for a brief drive, failing ones don't always throw a code if it's intermittent. if the ICV is OK and deffo no vac leaks or intake leaks then might be worth having a look at the throttle butterflies, they can get quite gunged up over time, make sure you're not missing the rubber plugs that sit on top, have you had the throttles balanced? To be honest, it sounds like an intake leak to me, but happy to be proved wrong.

carreauchompeur

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Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Thanks, I think I might try the MAF.

Throttle butterflies *should* be fine as I've had the lot apart and cleaned it all up (Although they were in an alright state anyway.

I genuinely can't think of anywhere it could be leaking on the intake as I really did check everything whilst disassembling, and the garage double checked it all whilst re-assembling.

It really is going to be something completely bizarre I reckon. Car is back in at Redish on Mon for the MoT so I'll get the adaptations reset/general diagnostic again...

carreauchompeur

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Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Oh, forgot to say it only really stalls from warm- Which would seem to rule out vacuum leaks, etc.

TEKNOPUG

20,401 posts

231 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Does it only happen when you drop the clutch? How does it idle?

carreauchompeur

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Wednesday 29th August 2012
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That's the annoying thing. Idle is really stable, around the RPMs it should be, but when you drop the clutch the revs just drop off too fast and too low. If the air con is off, the car can *just* catch it...

pat_y

1,029 posts

227 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Is your MPG ok? possibly a misreading temp sensor?

TEKNOPUG

20,401 posts

231 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Odd. Sounds exactly the symptoms you'd expect if you had fitted a lightened flywheel. Loss of inertia from the engine. The air-con being on is obviuosly causing a parasitic loss on the engine and making the sypmtoms worse. If it was an air leak, you'd expect it to be present all the time. ICV would be where I would investigate.

carreauchompeur

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Wednesday 29th August 2012
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MPG is not terrible, although slightly lower than I'd expect. There is a distinct lack of power evident at the moment.

The ICV was my first thought, but I've taken that out and cleaned it now so it should be alright.

Interesting angle regarding the flywheel. The clutch is probably not in the first flush of youth although still functions fairly well. Knackered flywheel?

The only other symptom I can think of of late is possibly a faint burning smell on occasion, although this seemed to have cleared up.