M5 Missing 1200 ml Service

[Charliecloud]

Would you buy one with it missing,it's not on the BMW data base as ever having been done!All other services done and on time.Car has 68k on clock and drives very well. Mondial stated they would have to get underwriters to confirm if they would agree to warranty insurance. I would expect a big premium or excess to be included,if they even agreed to it.

Anybody had first hand experience of missing 1200 ml service.

[StuH]

Charliecloud said:

Would you buy one with it missing,it's not on the BMW data base as ever having been done!All other services done and on time.Car has 68k on clock and drives very well. Mondial stated they would have to get underwriters to confirm if they would agree to warranty insurance. I would expect a big premium or excess to be included,if they even agreed to it.

Anybody had first hand experience of missing 1200 ml service.

I think you've got a pretty simple choice - If Mondial will warranty it then no problem, if not, walk away.

[ArmaghMan]

Yep.
Mine missed the 1200 mile service, but it only has 88000 on it now so still too early to say if it has been effected.

[ecain63]

Your problem will be that you could never px it to the trade as that's always the first question they ask. You'll be limited to selling it privately and even then, only the uneducated will buy it. As for warranty, its thier call. Normally its a big fat NO, but if all other services check out and its on good nick you might get lucky, possibly at a price. Why have you chosen this one over a car with full service history?

[Charliecloud]

Thanks for the advice guys. Eddie, I didn't know about the missing service till I checked the book and then rang supplying dealer. It's been outof the BMW network a while,I suspect as a result of the missing 1200ml service. The car has a new clutch and drives without fault.

Mondial will decide this for me!

[nonuts]

It's not quite the same, but I can't find any record of my e39 M5 having had the run-in service and it's still going strong at 165,000 miles so I'm not sure I'd be overly worried as long as the price is right and it's running right.

[Charliecloud]

Passed on it!............. It could be a great car for someone, I'm sure it put a smile on it's new owners face. First I have seen with perforated leather, very nice!

[StuH]

Charliecloud said:

Passed on it!............. It could be a great car for someone, I'm sure it put a smile on it's new owners face. First I have seen with perforated leather, very nice!

Prob the right choice. As has been stated, it's not that it necessarily would be a problem, it's more the perception by the market and the dealer, which is going to make it hard to sell-on. A bit like the situation with factory-fit nav. Obviously not such an issue with am older e39 m5 as that's bought purely on condition, but different with an e60 where buyers are going to want some recourse to the main dealer network is there is a major issue.

[MattOz]

ArmaghMan said:

Yep.
Mine missed the 1200 mile service, but it only has 88000 on it now so still too early to say if it has been effected.

Mine's the same. No record of the running in service having been done. It was sold as an AUC 2 and a half years ago and I've still got it covered by Mondial warranty. On 63k miles and no issues.

[ArmaghMan]

MattOz said:

ArmaghMan said:

Yep.
Mine missed the 1200 mile service, but it only has 88000 on it now so still too early to say if it has been effected.

Mine's the same. No record of the running in service having been done. It was sold as an AUC 2 and a half years ago and I've still got it covered by Mondial warranty. On 63k miles and no issues.

Methinks its a bit of a red herring. Would seriously love a V10, but it seems that even the cast iron BMW AUC warranty won't stump up for a clutch (see red cog of death thread), therefore making the warranty a bit of lighthouse in th middle of London ( brilliant but useless).
Ecain Eddie would beg to differ, claiming £13000 worth of warranty work on his E 61 in 24 months, but I wonder what my tame indie would have charged me for the same work?
Given that the engine seems fairly bulletproof a good well maintained non warranties car at £2000 less just seems better value. As for a commercial warranty, better to throw stones at the moon than " invest" in one of those.

[ecain63]

ArmaghMan said:

MattOz said:

ArmaghMan said:

Yep.
Mine missed the 1200 mile service, but it only has 88000 on it now so still too early to say if it has been effected.

Mine's the same. No record of the running in service having been done. It was sold as an AUC 2 and a half years ago and I've still got it covered by Mondial warranty. On 63k miles and no issues.

Ecain Eddie would beg to differ, claiming £13000 worth of warranty work on his E 61 in 24 months, but I wonder what my tame indie would have charged me for the same work?

I reckon £8/9k, so still covers 4 years of an annual warranty or 7/8 years of monthly warranty. Ermmmmmm.......... Its a tough call! lol

Edited by ecain63 on Thursday 8th November 18:38

[andygtt]

ecain63 said:

ArmaghMan said:

MattOz said:

ArmaghMan said:

Yep.
Mine missed the 1200 mile service, but it only has 88000 on it now so still too early to say if it has been effected.

Mine's the same. No record of the running in service having been done. It was sold as an AUC 2 and a half years ago and I've still got it covered by Mondial warranty. On 63k miles and no issues.

Ecain Eddie would beg to differ, claiming £13000 worth of warranty work on his E 61 in 24 months, but I wonder what my tame indie would have charged me for the same work?

I reckon £8/9k, so still covers 4 years of an annual warranty or 7/8 years of monthly warranty. Ermmmmmm.......... Its a tough call! lol

Edited by ecain63 on Thursday 8th November 18:38

so that 13k is for a new clutch, steering rack and replacement of a manufacture flaw in the boot wiring on the estate?.... materials for that lot is around £2k £3k max (still expensive for what they are).... so you recon £6-7k of labour?

Still given your huge missfortune of having all these issues on your car it doesnt change the fact that there are plenty of others out there doing more miles and yet have never had an issue.
Your experience isn't everyone else's, warranty saved you money, but would have cost me a load of money. Im also betting I have lost less in the last year on depreciation... my car is still worth within 1-2k of what I paid for it!.

Anyhow regardless... yes we fund and run our cars differently, but we still both love our cars, and that shows what a bloody great machine it is

[ecain63]

andygtt said:

ecain63 said:

ArmaghMan said:

MattOz said:

ArmaghMan said:

Yep.
Mine missed the 1200 mile service, but it only has 88000 on it now so still too early to say if it has been effected.

Mine's the same. No record of the running in service having been done. It was sold as an AUC 2 and a half years ago and I've still got it covered by Mondial warranty. On 63k miles and no issues.

Ecain Eddie would beg to differ, claiming £13000 worth of warranty work on his E 61 in 24 months, but I wonder what my tame indie would have charged me for the same work?

I reckon £8/9k, so still covers 4 years of an annual warranty or 7/8 years of monthly warranty. Ermmmmmm.......... Its a tough call! lol

Edited by ecain63 on Thursday 8th November 18:38

so that 13k is for a new clutch, steering rack and replacement of a manufacture flaw in the boot wiring on the estate?.... materials for that lot is around £2k £3k max (still expensive for what they are).... so you recon £6-7k of labour?

Still given your huge missfortune of having all these issues on your car it doesnt change the fact that there are plenty of others out there doing more miles and yet have never had an issue.
Your experience isn't everyone else's, warranty saved you money, but would have cost me a load of money. Im also betting I have lost less in the last year on depreciation... my car is still worth within 1-2k of what I paid for it!.

Anyhow regardless... yes we fund and run our cars differently, but we still both love our cars, and that shows what a bloody great machine it is

I wouldnt call my repairs 'huge misfortune', just a darker part of the ownership experience. As for the values, what would an indy charge for these?

New clutch, flywheel, bearing, sleeve and box drop/refit labour......
New steering rack and realignment of front end (braces / rods) etc.........
3 new wiring looms fitted in the tailgate and headlining..........
Vanos system replaced..........
Couple of other simple sensors replaced and a few hours of software updates..........

[andygtt]

Im sorry but £13k of mechanical and electrical failures in 10-20k miles of driving is a huge missfortune in a low mileage car imo.
To put it in perspective, you could have practically bought my M5 for that money!

As for indy costs, we know the clutch is 1.5k, vanos 2k and steering column must be 1k max (educated guess)... cant see the rest costing 5K?

[contractor]

We just got the paperwork for returning my other half's car (BMW Select). In there is a section regarding missed services etc. BMW want 4 grand if the 1200 service is missing.

[ecain63]

andygtt said:

Im sorry but £13k of mechanical and electrical failures in 10-20k miles of driving is a huge missfortune in a low mileage car imo.
To put it in perspective, you could have practically bought my M5 for that money!

As for indy costs, we know the clutch is 1.5k, vanos 2k and steering column must be 1k max (educated guess)... cant see the rest costing 5K?

We shall agree to disagree. As said, ive had things fixed that some may just live with but thats my choice and my car is better for it. As for the clutch, it can be done for £1500 by an indy.....thats fine. But my warranty is £90 a month / £1080 a year with no excess so id have had to pay nearly a year and a half to match the clutch cost. Id much rather pay that than fork out £1500 in one hit for any one invoice.

At the end of the day the warranty works well for some and is an excess expense for others. Even if id never claimed a penny in the 2 years ive owned the car id still be glad to have the warranty. £90 a month is nothing for peace of mind.

Eddie

[StuH]

ecain63 said:

andygtt said:

Im sorry but £13k of mechanical and electrical failures in 10-20k miles of driving is a huge missfortune in a low mileage car imo.
To put it in perspective, you could have practically bought my M5 for that money!

As for indy costs, we know the clutch is 1.5k, vanos 2k and steering column must be 1k max (educated guess)... cant see the rest costing 5K?

We shall agree to disagree. As said, ive had things fixed that some may just live with but thats my choice and my car is better for it. As for the clutch, it can be done for £1500 by an indy.....thats fine. But my warranty is £90 a month / £1080 a year with no excess so id have had to pay nearly a year and a half to match the clutch cost. Id much rather pay that than fork out £1500 in one hit for any one invoice.

At the end of the day the warranty works well for some and is an excess expense for others. Even if id never claimed a penny in the 2 years ive owned the car id still be glad to have the warranty. £90 a month is nothing for peace of mind.

Eddie

[Charliecloud]

Car got sold to a stealer............. http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...

Few errors in their ad.......not a FBMWSH as last was an Indy & no 1200 ml service. Car was reg in June 2007. Car has new clutch & discs all round, The tyres are on last 1000 miles............It's also gone up £4k!!!!!!!

[Eastern boy]

I've seen some M5's experience 4-5000 of repairs in a matter of months, and also seen some require nothing. however it is more the norm to expect some hefty bills on a car like that. A car without a 1200 run in service, is worth a bit less, as it gives BMW an "out" should something fail, where as with the service there may be some goodwill forthcoming dependant on service history mileage etc.

Best advice is to buy whatever has the most complete service history you can get, maintain the service history, and just enjoy the car!! possibly biased, but for a couple of grand more than a private sale, i'd suggest buying an AUC one!!! gives you peace of mind, come back and the warranty truly is worth a fortune if the unthinkable happens!!!

[jontysafe]

According to Warranty Direct the M5 is second only to Audi's RS6 in cost and frequency warranty claims.

http://cars.uk.msn.com/features/used-car-guide/the...