M135i - right or wrong forum
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I think this car is too special to take place in the General BMW forum, as will the future M Performance derivatives on all other beemers.
It's not like there are a load of M cars so if anything it will help o bolster this forum with enthusiasts interested in performance BMWs.
No need for an elitist attitude toward them- I use to have an M3 CSL and currently a 1M and they're more than welcome to me
It's not like there are a load of M cars so if anything it will help o bolster this forum with enthusiasts interested in performance BMWs.
No need for an elitist attitude toward them- I use to have an M3 CSL and currently a 1M and they're more than welcome to me
I think owners probably should stay here - primarily as the target audience and intended primary purpose (hooning 
) is largely the same as M buyers. I blame BMW for giving it a w***y name, not the buyers, who will largely buy it on the strength of its price/performance.
Plus I like a bit of well-intentioned banter
) is largely the same as M buyers. I blame BMW for giving it a w***y name, not the buyers, who will largely buy it on the strength of its price/performance.Plus I like a bit of well-intentioned banter
Edited by StuH on Sunday 2nd December 21:36
I am a M3 CS Coupe owner.
I think the M135i is one of the most exciting cars to come out of BMW mainly because of the performance on offer for the money so I mean value for money. BMW gave it a bit of a silly name M Performance Automobiles which means kind of half way house of M car. So is this like the old M535i or E30 325i Sport with M-Technic parts. BMW can be confusing they should have given a different name like Audi have S-line and RS models.
I am not keen on non M owners badging or modifying their cars to look like Ms.
As far as I am concerned u MPA owners are more than welcome on the M Power forum. When BMW eventually produce lots if MPA models maybe there will be a subsection. Too many one up man ship with some if these M owners and too much unneeded hate
I think the M135i is one of the most exciting cars to come out of BMW mainly because of the performance on offer for the money so I mean value for money. BMW gave it a bit of a silly name M Performance Automobiles which means kind of half way house of M car. So is this like the old M535i or E30 325i Sport with M-Technic parts. BMW can be confusing they should have given a different name like Audi have S-line and RS models.
I am not keen on non M owners badging or modifying their cars to look like Ms.
As far as I am concerned u MPA owners are more than welcome on the M Power forum. When BMW eventually produce lots if MPA models maybe there will be a subsection. Too many one up man ship with some if these M owners and too much unneeded hate
[quote=terryb]I think this car is too special to take place in the General BMW forum, as will the future M Performance derivatives on all other beemers.
It's not like there are a load of M cars so if anything it will help o bolster this forum with enthusiasts interested in performance BMWs.
No need for an elitist attitude toward them- I use to have an M3 CSL and currently a 1M and they're more than welcome to me[/quote
Well said Terry
you taking the 1M to slippystone this weekend mate?
It's not like there are a load of M cars so if anything it will help o bolster this forum with enthusiasts interested in performance BMWs.
No need for an elitist attitude toward them- I use to have an M3 CSL and currently a 1M and they're more than welcome to me
[/quoteWell said Terry
you taking the 1M to slippystone this weekend mate?dontdobends]erryb said:
I think this car is too special to take place in the General BMW forum, as will the future M Performance derivatives on all other beemers.
It's not like there are a load of M cars so if anything it will help o bolster this forum with enthusiasts interested in performance BMWs.
No need for an elitist attitude toward them- I use to have an M3 CSL and currently a 1M and they're more than welcome to me[/quote
Well said Terry you taking the 1M to slippystone this weekend mate?
+1It's not like there are a load of M cars so if anything it will help o bolster this forum with enthusiasts interested in performance BMWs.
No need for an elitist attitude toward them- I use to have an M3 CSL and currently a 1M and they're more than welcome to me
[/quoteWell said Terry
you taking the 1M to slippystone this weekend mate?This is an 'M-Power' forum, it clearly says 'M-Performance' on the 135i engine cover, so therefore the car is allowed on here!
As would an E30 320is for that matter.....
http://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_y...
Please stop being so pretentious, the M135i is a fantastic car made by a great company for petrolheads, barring it from here just because it is quicker than every other 'M-Car' before the V10s made it on the scene is just plain silly.
Oh, I think I might be getting one soon...
As would an E30 320is for that matter.....
http://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_y...
Please stop being so pretentious, the M135i is a fantastic car made by a great company for petrolheads, barring it from here just because it is quicker than every other 'M-Car' before the V10s made it on the scene is just plain silly.
Oh, I think I might be getting one soon...
scarebus said:
....barring it from here just because it is quicker than every other 'M-Car' before the V10s made it on the scene is just plain silly.
Who has said that and in what way does having a quicker 0-60 time than previous generation "M's" make the M135i in any way special.You can put whatever name you want on an engine cover but that doesn't make it anything fantastic. The S14 and S54 were both specifically designed for the cars that they powered and they weren't just slightly tweaked/mapped versions of an engine available elsewhere in the standard model range. Yes, rose tinted specs and all that but that's what makes the N/A M-cars feel special.
You can't blame BMW for standardising the engines given emission controls combined with development cost to sales ratios for these types of cars, but it's a shame that the brand is becoming less special. At least to me it is. Maybe it's because I'm becoming an old fart and new cars don't really interest me much any more, who knows.
benny.c said:
scarebus said:
....barring it from here just because it is quicker than every other 'M-Car' before the V10s made it on the scene is just plain silly.
Who has said that and in what way does having a quicker 0-60 time than previous generation "M's" make the M135i in any way special.You can put whatever name you want on an engine cover but that doesn't make it anything fantastic. The S14 and S54 were both specifically designed for the cars that they powered and they weren't just slightly tweaked/mapped versions of an engine available elsewhere in the standard model range. Yes, rose tinted specs and all that but that's what makes the N/A M-cars feel special.
You can't blame BMW for standardising the engines given emission controls combined with development cost to sales ratios for these types of cars, but it's a shame that the brand is becoming less special. At least to me it is. Maybe it's because I'm becoming an old fart and new cars don't really interest me much any more, who knows.
scarebus said:
....barring it from here just because it is quicker than every other 'M-Car' before the V10s made it on the scene is just plain silly.
I find this an odd comment,firstly no ones talking about barring it on a purely performance basis,the OP im sure originally intended for us to debate the virtues of M and non M's in the M forum,and where thats concerned im afraid there will always be a certain amount of badge snobbery from some parties,however the majority of comments have been in the 'im all for the M135i being here' check box.
Secondly in what way is it quicker?Than what where and in what conditions? The V10's production was 2005 onwards so your saying its quicker than a CSL which was introduced before that?.Im sure you will have a few of their owners up in arms with that statement Your a brave man to rattle that hornets nest !
It is however a great car and no one is disputing that.
....barring it from here just because it is quicker than every other 'M-Car' before the V10s made it on the scene is just plain silly.
I find this an odd comment,firstly no ones talking about barring it on a purely performance basis,the OP im sure originally intended for us to debate the virtues of M and non M's in the M forum,and where thats concerned im afraid there will always be a certain amount of badge snobbery from some parties,however the majority of comments have been in the 'im all for the M135i being here' check box.
Secondly in what way is it quicker?Than what where and in what conditions? The V10's production was 2005 onwards so your saying its quicker than a CSL which was introduced before that?.Im sure you will have a few of their owners up in arms with that statement
Your a brave man to rattle that hornets nest !It is however a great car and no one is disputing that.
We can debate which forum this car belongs in all day and it's clear that we'll never all agree. I have no doubt that the M135i is a superb car but this answer from BMW's project director for the car (Christof Lischka) sums up for me exactly where it lies in the food chain:
"Q. A typical M automobile has about 80% changed or completely newly developed parts as compared to its equivalent basic model. Where does a BMW M Performance Automobile such as the BMW M135i stand here?
A. With the BMW M135i we are at around 30%."
In simple maths terms that puts it closer to a standard car than an "M", does it not?
"Q. A typical M automobile has about 80% changed or completely newly developed parts as compared to its equivalent basic model. Where does a BMW M Performance Automobile such as the BMW M135i stand here?
A. With the BMW M135i we are at around 30%."
In simple maths terms that puts it closer to a standard car than an "M", does it not?
Edited by benny.c on Wednesday 5th December 20:17
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