M135i engine noise.
M135i engine noise.
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wizz72

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575 posts

258 months

-Z-

8,367 posts

236 months

Saturday 5th January 2013
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Very underhand that BMW didn't admit to it during the press release, obviously burned by their M5 experience.

Interesting to see if the M3 gets the same.


P.s. the new M6 sounds way better than the M5, have they just turned the volume up?

Contigo

3,139 posts

239 months

Saturday 5th January 2013
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Piped in sound lol! I just wind my windows down or hoon it through a tunnel and smile, no need for amplifying it through the speakers but whatever floats your boat!

cheddar

4,637 posts

204 months

Saturday 5th January 2013
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Why the issue?

Clever and effective way of making a 6cyl engine that's otherwise hushed by forced induction sound fantastic.

roofer

5,136 posts

241 months

Saturday 5th January 2013
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cheddar said:
Why the issue?

Clever and effective way of making a 6cyl engine that's otherwise hushed by forced induction sound fantastic.
Agreed.

zeduffman

4,325 posts

181 months

Saturday 5th January 2013
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And yet you wouldn't have known any different had they not done the test.

LukeSi

5,780 posts

191 months

Saturday 5th January 2013
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Quite a nice sounding car imo. Heard one pulling out of a junction and accelerate hard, not bad at all.

KENZ

1,229 posts

223 months

Saturday 5th January 2013
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Very disappointing. Long live the S54 :-)

-Z-

8,367 posts

236 months

Saturday 5th January 2013
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cheddar said:
Why the issue?

Clever and effective way of making a 6cyl engine that's otherwise hushed by forced induction sound fantastic.
Terrible imo, a situation where now we have to worry about whether the engine in a car with the standard stereo system will sound crap compared to one with the Harmon kardon upgrade.

How come Merc manage perfectly fine without this crap? GTRs sound good too.

CRB14

1,494 posts

182 months

Saturday 5th January 2013
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Couldn't care less to be honest. The focus ST engine sound was 'symposed' and not a true engine sound yet everyone thought it was amazing.....me included. It adds to the driver experience and if it wasn't there people would complain.

Stedman

7,475 posts

222 months

Saturday 5th January 2013
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CRB14 said:
Couldn't care less to be honest. The focus ST engine sound was 'symposed' and not a true engine sound yet everyone thought it was amazing.....me included. It adds to the driver experience and if it wasn't there people would complain.
It wasn't artificial in the ST though

benny.c

3,796 posts

237 months

Saturday 5th January 2013
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It's pathetic, it really is. If an 18 year old lad was doing this in his Saxo there'd be much piss taking going on. I'm going to get one of these for my wife's 320D so it sounds special....

http://www.vroombox.com/

CRB14

1,494 posts

182 months

Sunday 6th January 2013
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Stedman said:
It wasn't artificial in the ST though
Granted it was resonated (whatever that means) and not through the speakers but its still not a real engine sound. I still don't think it's an issue. I read that the sound is something like 15% speakers and 85% real. Not sure how true this is.

Had somebody not been clever enough to figure this out would anyone have even known? It does sound a bit Forza (computer gamey) but still sounds great.

Babw

1,069 posts

176 months

Sunday 6th January 2013
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This is a poor dig at a great car.

It's not as if a synthesiser is making a 320d sound like an M3. It's the actual engine of the car being tunnelled into the interior via a symposer. When you open the windows, the car still sounds great which is just insulated by the good build quality. I'm just grateful BMW managed to make a 1 series where the insulation is so good that they feel the need to do this.


-Z-

8,367 posts

236 months

Sunday 6th January 2013
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Babw said:
This is a poor dig at a great car.

It's not as if a synthesiser is making a 320d sound like an M3. It's the actual engine of the car being tunnelled into the interior via a symposer. When you open the windows, the car still sounds great which is just insulated by the good build quality. I'm just grateful BMW managed to make a 1 series where the insulation is so good that they feel the need to do this.
But that's the point made in the thread, its not the actual sound. The OP says the actual induction sound is very different, not just quieter.

It's what ///M engineers think it should sound like, not what it actually sounds like.

Plainview23

318 posts

242 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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benny.c said:
It's pathetic, it really is. If an 18 year old lad was doing this in his Saxo there'd be much piss taking going on.
Completely agree. It's utterly pathetic. It's such a cop out to say it's what the engine sounds like. Real low point for BMW, they're too good -and the cars are too good- for this nonsense. I've no problem with them tuning the turbo noises or suchlike, that's what they should do, but to MP3 it is a sad state of affairs.

cheddar

4,637 posts

204 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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Plainview23 said:
Completely agree. It's utterly pathetic. It's such a cop out to say it's what the engine sounds like. Real low point for BMW, they're too good -and the cars are too good- for this nonsense. I've no problem with them tuning the turbo noises or suchlike, that's what they should do, but to MP3 it is a sad state of affairs.
Have you been in one?

It sounds 100% natural and utterly brilliant.

You would never ever know any different without threads like this.





Emeye

9,781 posts

253 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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cheddar said:
Have you been in one?

It sounds 100% natural and utterly brilliant.

You would never ever know any different without threads like this.
What has been seen cannot be unseen, what has been heard cannot be unheard....



I think I would bug me in the back of my mind that I was listening to special effects!

budgie smuggler

6,075 posts

189 months

Monday 7th January 2013
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CRB14 said:
Stedman said:
It wasn't artificial in the ST though
Granted it was resonated (whatever that means) and not through the speakers but its still not a real engine sound. I still don't think it's an issue. I read that the sound is something like 15% speakers and 85% real. Not sure how true this is.

Had somebody not been clever enough to figure this out would anyone have even known? It does sound a bit Forza (computer gamey) but still sounds great.
It's not that it uses the speakers as opposed to a pipe which is the issue. The ST and others use the actual engine noise from your own car, piped into the cabin whereas (IIUC) BMW are using pre-recorded engine noises that have been fiddled with on a computer to make them sound better.



Edited by budgie smuggler on Monday 7th January 08:00

dvshannow

1,660 posts

166 months

Tuesday 8th January 2013
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budgie smuggler said:
CRB14 said:
Stedman said:
It wasn't artificial in the ST though
Granted it was resonated (whatever that means) and not through the speakers but its still not a real engine sound. I still don't think it's an issue. I read that the sound is something like 15% speakers and 85% real. Not sure how true this is.

Had somebody not been clever enough to figure this out would anyone have even known? It does sound a bit Forza (computer gamey) but still sounds great.
It's not that it uses the speakers as opposed to a pipe which is the issue. The ST and others use the actual engine noise from your own car, piped into the cabin whereas (IIUC) BMW are using pre-recorded engine noises that have been fiddled with on a computer to make them sound better.



Edited by budgie smuggler on Monday 7th January 08:00
its very poor form not to be upfront with what they did. i think its cheesy, you add turbos and you get more torque/power and efficiency, you lose soundtrack.

add it back in synthetically if you must, but BMW should not be trying to trick customers that the car sounds better than it really does. it almost seems fraudulent, think sound of an engine is a material factor in how many of us choose a car