M3 CS - 1M coupe
Discussion
Hi all,
Thinking of selling my M3 CS and making the change to a 1M. I bought my CS after searching a long search and don't want to regret jumping ship. Has anyone made the same move (or similar) and if so how do the two compare in terms of enjoyment? I love the CS and always wanted one however I have heard nothing but good things regarding the 1M and am sorely tempted.
I appreciate I need to try a 1M but in the meantime any feedback would be welcomed.
Thanks
Thinking of selling my M3 CS and making the change to a 1M. I bought my CS after searching a long search and don't want to regret jumping ship. Has anyone made the same move (or similar) and if so how do the two compare in terms of enjoyment? I love the CS and always wanted one however I have heard nothing but good things regarding the 1M and am sorely tempted.
I appreciate I need to try a 1M but in the meantime any feedback would be welcomed.
Thanks
Cambell said:
Your CS is an awesome car, I drove my mates CSL so yours cant be so different.
actually they are - in some areas like night and day..There are a fair few years difference between when I had my CSL and now the 1M with a mixture of cars in between but I find the 1M is harder to drive faster - a tad more challenging due to the extra grunt lower down. You definitely need to have an extended drive in a 1M to see the difference in your CS really. Both great cars but different.
I saw this before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG16SqUl3bE
Both great cars....
Had a new M3 CS back in 2006, and loved it. Very well balanced, great engine, great sound.....
Shown here at Thruxton in 2006
In 2012 I bought an 11 month old 1M Coupe. A quirkier kind of car and all the more special for it... Feels much quicker than the CS did, due to the bags of low down turbo boosted torque. That torque can break the tail away very easily if you're not careful, which I guess is great if you're a king of oversteer, but can come as a shock to those of us with more average driving talents. I love the rareness and the looks, and the power..... If it's not better than the M3 CS it's certainly very different in a good way!!
Bedford 2014 the only track day so far....
I don't think you'd regret buying a 1M..... I've told the wife I'm never selling mine......
Had a new M3 CS back in 2006, and loved it. Very well balanced, great engine, great sound.....
Shown here at Thruxton in 2006
In 2012 I bought an 11 month old 1M Coupe. A quirkier kind of car and all the more special for it... Feels much quicker than the CS did, due to the bags of low down turbo boosted torque. That torque can break the tail away very easily if you're not careful, which I guess is great if you're a king of oversteer, but can come as a shock to those of us with more average driving talents. I love the rareness and the looks, and the power..... If it's not better than the M3 CS it's certainly very different in a good way!!
Bedford 2014 the only track day so far....
I don't think you'd regret buying a 1M..... I've told the wife I'm never selling mine......
OP - what about a move to a fully fledged CSL?
I think a lot of this comes down to your views on what an M engine should be. My firm preference is for the high-revving NA screamers, but I absolutely understand why others prefer the modern breed of turbo'd cars.
My preference being what it is, I'd either stick with the CS or try a CSL or V8 e92, rather than make the move to the 1M.
GaryThomlinson said:
0836whimper said:
Nice.
I drove a 1 series M sport, it's only one down from the 1M, it was very good and economical, recommended.
M sport is one down from 1M? Are you being serious?I drove a 1 series M sport, it's only one down from the 1M, it was very good and economical, recommended.
jh106 said:
Hi all,
Thinking of selling my M3 CS and making the change to a 1M. I bought my CS after searching a long search and don't want to regret jumping ship. Has anyone made the same move (or similar) and if so how do the two compare in terms of enjoyment? I love the CS and always wanted one however I have heard nothing but good things regarding the 1M and am sorely tempted.
I appreciate I need to try a 1M but in the meantime any feedback would be welcomed.
Thanks
If you are thinking of selling do let me know, I am considering m3's at the minute and a good CS would be the ideal, but they're quite hard to come by...Thinking of selling my M3 CS and making the change to a 1M. I bought my CS after searching a long search and don't want to regret jumping ship. Has anyone made the same move (or similar) and if so how do the two compare in terms of enjoyment? I love the CS and always wanted one however I have heard nothing but good things regarding the 1M and am sorely tempted.
I appreciate I need to try a 1M but in the meantime any feedback would be welcomed.
Thanks
Although slightly different, I went from an E46 M3 to an M135i. Somewhat different cars dynamically, but the 1M and M135i are about the same performance-wise.
I feel that the 1-er doesn't feel nearly so special as the M3, but it's much more enjoyable in daily driving. It's smooth, modern (feels a lot newer than the E46), and car design has moved on and brought benefits with it.
Speed-wise, I would say that the M135i is faster than the M3 in just about every situation. Straight line speed is better (slightly) than the M3, and over a twisty back road, I would have had a lot more fun in the M3, but when I'm honest, I don't think I would be going any faster than I do in the M135i, I'd probably just have more confidence in it. The turbocharged 3.0 engine is brilliant, so torquey from low down (which the M3 certainly wasn't), and relentless anywhere in the rev range. Your 1M would be a twin-turbo N54, where mine is a single-turbo N55. Yours was probably the better engine, mine the more efficient.
I hope that helps in some way. Obviously the dynamics of "M" factor in the ground up build will be different. I think mine is about 30/40% of the way to being a full-fat M car, whereas your 1M will be about 70%, so "feel" will of course be different.
I feel that the 1-er doesn't feel nearly so special as the M3, but it's much more enjoyable in daily driving. It's smooth, modern (feels a lot newer than the E46), and car design has moved on and brought benefits with it.
Speed-wise, I would say that the M135i is faster than the M3 in just about every situation. Straight line speed is better (slightly) than the M3, and over a twisty back road, I would have had a lot more fun in the M3, but when I'm honest, I don't think I would be going any faster than I do in the M135i, I'd probably just have more confidence in it. The turbocharged 3.0 engine is brilliant, so torquey from low down (which the M3 certainly wasn't), and relentless anywhere in the rev range. Your 1M would be a twin-turbo N54, where mine is a single-turbo N55. Yours was probably the better engine, mine the more efficient.
I hope that helps in some way. Obviously the dynamics of "M" factor in the ground up build will be different. I think mine is about 30/40% of the way to being a full-fat M car, whereas your 1M will be about 70%, so "feel" will of course be different.
thanks for the responses.
Gruber - as tempting as a CSL is (that noise......) my preference is to stick with a manual. The newer M3's in general don't quite do it for me although the saloon's now look like a good buy.
PKZ4M - thanks, helpful to hear your experience. Sounds like you must be enjoying yours. I am looking at one shortly so should be better informed. Having spent many an hour over the last week watching 1M video's on Youtube and in anticipation that I will like it my CS should be featuring in the classifieds very shortly.........
Gruber - as tempting as a CSL is (that noise......) my preference is to stick with a manual. The newer M3's in general don't quite do it for me although the saloon's now look like a good buy.
PKZ4M - thanks, helpful to hear your experience. Sounds like you must be enjoying yours. I am looking at one shortly so should be better informed. Having spent many an hour over the last week watching 1M video's on Youtube and in anticipation that I will like it my CS should be featuring in the classifieds very shortly.........
M3Driver said:
Although slightly different, I went from an E46 M3 to an M135i. Somewhat different cars dynamically, but the 1M and M135i are about the same performance-wise.
I feel that the 1-er doesn't feel nearly so special as the M3, but it's much more enjoyable in daily driving. It's smooth, modern (feels a lot newer than the E46), and car design has moved on and brought benefits with it.
Speed-wise, I would say that the M135i is faster than the M3 in just about every situation. Straight line speed is better (slightly) than the M3, and over a twisty back road, I would have had a lot more fun in the M3, but when I'm honest, I don't think I would be going any faster than I do in the M135i, I'd probably just have more confidence in it. The turbocharged 3.0 engine is brilliant, so torquey from low down (which the M3 certainly wasn't), and relentless anywhere in the rev range. Your 1M would be a twin-turbo N54, where mine is a single-turbo N55. Yours was probably the better engine, mine the more efficient.
I hope that helps in some way. Obviously the dynamics of "M" factor in the ground up build will be different. I think mine is about 30/40% of the way to being a full-fat M car, whereas your 1M will be about 70%, so "feel" will of course be different.
Hang on - you can't seriously think that comparison is valid? The 1M coupe has been rated to develop way more power than rated - more like 365bhp. It's got the suspension from the M3 - it is a full on M car, no doubt. The 135 although a lovely car has pretty much the same setup as any other 1 series. I feel that the 1-er doesn't feel nearly so special as the M3, but it's much more enjoyable in daily driving. It's smooth, modern (feels a lot newer than the E46), and car design has moved on and brought benefits with it.
Speed-wise, I would say that the M135i is faster than the M3 in just about every situation. Straight line speed is better (slightly) than the M3, and over a twisty back road, I would have had a lot more fun in the M3, but when I'm honest, I don't think I would be going any faster than I do in the M135i, I'd probably just have more confidence in it. The turbocharged 3.0 engine is brilliant, so torquey from low down (which the M3 certainly wasn't), and relentless anywhere in the rev range. Your 1M would be a twin-turbo N54, where mine is a single-turbo N55. Yours was probably the better engine, mine the more efficient.
I hope that helps in some way. Obviously the dynamics of "M" factor in the ground up build will be different. I think mine is about 30/40% of the way to being a full-fat M car, whereas your 1M will be about 70%, so "feel" will of course be different.
csmith319 said:
Hang on - you can't seriously think that comparison is valid? The 1M coupe has been rated to develop way more power than rated - more like 365bhp. It's got the suspension from the M3 - it is a full on M car, no doubt. The 135 although a lovely car has pretty much the same setup as any other 1 series.
I'll post this again..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG16SqUl3bE
so, the then head of BMW M, Segler said the 1M "is pure M.." "It is M pure I guarantee that."
What better endorsement do you need about the 1M's M'ness?
csmith319 said:
M3Driver said:
Although slightly different, I went from an E46 M3 to an M135i. Somewhat different cars dynamically, but the 1M and M135i are about the same performance-wise.
I feel that the 1-er doesn't feel nearly so special as the M3, but it's much more enjoyable in daily driving. It's smooth, modern (feels a lot newer than the E46), and car design has moved on and brought benefits with it.
Speed-wise, I would say that the M135i is faster than the M3 in just about every situation. Straight line speed is better (slightly) than the M3, and over a twisty back road, I would have had a lot more fun in the M3, but when I'm honest, I don't think I would be going any faster than I do in the M135i, I'd probably just have more confidence in it. The turbocharged 3.0 engine is brilliant, so torquey from low down (which the M3 certainly wasn't), and relentless anywhere in the rev range. Your 1M would be a twin-turbo N54, where mine is a single-turbo N55. Yours was probably the better engine, mine the more efficient.
I hope that helps in some way. Obviously the dynamics of "M" factor in the ground up build will be different. I think mine is about 30/40% of the way to being a full-fat M car, whereas your 1M will be about 70%, so "feel" will of course be different.
Hang on - you can't seriously think that comparison is valid? The 1M coupe has been rated to develop way more power than rated - more like 365bhp. I feel that the 1-er doesn't feel nearly so special as the M3, but it's much more enjoyable in daily driving. It's smooth, modern (feels a lot newer than the E46), and car design has moved on and brought benefits with it.
Speed-wise, I would say that the M135i is faster than the M3 in just about every situation. Straight line speed is better (slightly) than the M3, and over a twisty back road, I would have had a lot more fun in the M3, but when I'm honest, I don't think I would be going any faster than I do in the M135i, I'd probably just have more confidence in it. The turbocharged 3.0 engine is brilliant, so torquey from low down (which the M3 certainly wasn't), and relentless anywhere in the rev range. Your 1M would be a twin-turbo N54, where mine is a single-turbo N55. Yours was probably the better engine, mine the more efficient.
I hope that helps in some way. Obviously the dynamics of "M" factor in the ground up build will be different. I think mine is about 30/40% of the way to being a full-fat M car, whereas your 1M will be about 70%, so "feel" will of course be different.
I was at Charlie's (SRR) today for a 6 cyl 1 Series dyno day, and Charlie got to dyno his first stock standard 1M (as opposed to tuned ones) - and the result was 366hp for an untouched stock 1M.
Edited by aeropilot on Saturday 22 March 21:02
aeropilot said:
Spot on with the power of the 1M in stock form.
I was at Charlie's (SSR) today for a 6 cyl 1 Series dyno day, and Charlie got to dyno his first stock standard 1M (as opposed to tuned ones) - and the result was 366hp for an untouched stock 1M.
366 stock? Not bad at all. I've never RR mine in stock mode.I was at Charlie's (SSR) today for a 6 cyl 1 Series dyno day, and Charlie got to dyno his first stock standard 1M (as opposed to tuned ones) - and the result was 366hp for an untouched stock 1M.
Best to keep these 1M's stock if on the track otherwise the rears spin up too easily out of the corners - mine was great today on the track after switching off the remap and overall I made better pace without it.
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