M3 e92 to Golf R
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Don't do it! You have one of the best cars ever made with one of the best engines ever built. Last of a dying breed & going to be worth serious money in the future. You'll lose your shirt on it if you part-ex it now though. I'd keep the M3 & get a cheap E60 touring on a dateless plate to go with it 
gizard said:
Anyone done this - doing it?
I have decided I need to get a more practical run around and was wondering what I would miss / not miss by going into a current 5 door Golf R - other than the obvious - engine + / fuel economy -
I think the obvious thing you'd miss is the drivetrain layout and resulting handling. I feel that a 4wd turbo car wouldn't be nearly as interactive as a RWD NA car.I have decided I need to get a more practical run around and was wondering what I would miss / not miss by going into a current 5 door Golf R - other than the obvious - engine + / fuel economy -
rsv696 said:
Don't do it! You have one of the best cars ever made with one of the best engines ever built. Last of a dying breed & going to be worth serious money in the future. You'll lose your shirt on it if you part-ex it now though. I'd keep the M3 & get a cheap E60 touring on a dateless plate to go with it
I really can't see the E92 M3 going up in value as there are so many of them. They weren't exactly built in ltd numbers. 
The fundamental flaw with the E90/92 M3 is that you need to drive it at 8/10ths at least to appreciate the drivetrain. Poor low-down torque and very high fuel consumption. The blinkered fanboys will disagree of course.
There's a reason BMW has moved away from a N/A V8 for the new M4.
Away from a track or illegal speeds on the roads, it's deeply flawed. Prices will plummet in the years ahead - ESPECIALLY when the new M4 gets onto the used market.
There's a reason BMW has moved away from a N/A V8 for the new M4.
Away from a track or illegal speeds on the roads, it's deeply flawed. Prices will plummet in the years ahead - ESPECIALLY when the new M4 gets onto the used market.
The fundamental flaw with the E90/92 M3 is that you need to drive it at 8/10ths at least to appreciate the drivetrain. Poor low-down torque and very high fuel consumption. The blinkered fanboys will disagree of course.
There's a reason BMW has moved away from a N/A V8 for the new M4.
Away from a track or illegal speeds on the roads, it's deeply flawed. Prices will plummet in the years ahead - ESPECIALLY when the new M4 gets onto the used market.
There's a reason BMW has moved away from a N/A V8 for the new M4.
Away from a track or illegal speeds on the roads, it's deeply flawed. Prices will plummet in the years ahead - ESPECIALLY when the new M4 gets onto the used market.
Shaoxter said:
You'll be waiting a LONG time for when/if prices are higher than what they are worth now. E30's have gone up obviously but E36's have not risen and E46's are still depreciating.
Good post, the E90/92 M3 = E39 M5.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
wax lyrical said:
The fundamental flaw with the E90/92 M3 is that you need to drive it at 8/10ths at least to appreciate the drivetrain. Poor low-down torque and very high fuel consumption. The blinkered fanboys will disagree of course.
Harris says so about the torque, so fewer fanboys will be out this time. 
wax lyrical said:
The fundamental flaw with the E90/92 M3 is that you need to drive it at 8/10ths at least to appreciate the drivetrain. Poor low-down torque and very high fuel consumption. The blinkered fanboys will disagree of course.
There's a reason BMW has moved away from a N/A V8 for the new M4.
Away from a track or illegal speeds on the roads, it's deeply flawed. Prices will plummet in the years ahead - ESPECIALLY when the new M4 gets onto the used market.
Blimey its nice to find someone on my wavelength regards the E92 M3...pleased I am not the only one to see all of its short comings! There's a reason BMW has moved away from a N/A V8 for the new M4.
Away from a track or illegal speeds on the roads, it's deeply flawed. Prices will plummet in the years ahead - ESPECIALLY when the new M4 gets onto the used market.
wax lyrical said:
The fundamental flaw with the E90/92 M3 is that you need to drive it at 8/10ths at least to appreciate the drivetrain. Poor low-down torque and very high fuel consumption. The blinkered fanboys will disagree of course.
There's a reason BMW has moved away from a N/A V8 for the new M4.
Away from a track or illegal speeds on the roads, it's deeply flawed. Prices will plummet in the years ahead - ESPECIALLY when the new M4 gets onto the used market.
Silly post, one reason and that's emissions. Some people don't require effortless low down torque to enjoy a car, there are those that appreciate and enjoy using the gears and revs to make progress. You're perhaps not one of them but that doesn't make anyone else blinkered. Still more than enough pull in just about any given situation. The low down torque in our gti doesn't move it along any quicker I can assure you.There's a reason BMW has moved away from a N/A V8 for the new M4.
Away from a track or illegal speeds on the roads, it's deeply flawed. Prices will plummet in the years ahead - ESPECIALLY when the new M4 gets onto the used market.
Harris's point was that it was better suited to daily driving, not forgetting he was comparing the dct with his manual e92. His point stands but for me given the feedback so far, the new car is perhaps less suited to non commuting duties when you can actually enjoy driving.
I know the R is not the same as an R32, but fundamentally they are similar beasts being the top of the range AWD Golfs. The point is I really didn't enjoy my R32 at all, I found it too clinical, boring, and unexciting in the perf/handling department.
I am sure the R is a nice place to be in to go to work, but I am afraid it will be a bit one dimensional compared to the M3, and as the R will not have the sound track of the R32 I fear there will be nothing to like about it....
I am sure the R is a nice place to be in to go to work, but I am afraid it will be a bit one dimensional compared to the M3, and as the R will not have the sound track of the R32 I fear there will be nothing to like about it....
Hi all,
Wow I did think I would get such a huge amount of replies so quickly. I had a great drive last night and it got me thinking again....
From a cash point of view going to a golf R is probably going to cost more with the milage I do in the long run. Being 2012 car it is probably worth about 35k is (competition pack Dot etc)
The the question is what is it going to be worth this time next year?
Another thing is if I am going to keep it I need an M performance exhaust anyone now where I might get a second hand one? I will not really consider any other as the car still has warranty and I have heard such great reviews of the factory item but there never seem to be any on ebay?
Wow I did think I would get such a huge amount of replies so quickly. I had a great drive last night and it got me thinking again....
From a cash point of view going to a golf R is probably going to cost more with the milage I do in the long run. Being 2012 car it is probably worth about 35k is (competition pack Dot etc)
The the question is what is it going to be worth this time next year?
Another thing is if I am going to keep it I need an M performance exhaust anyone now where I might get a second hand one? I will not really consider any other as the car still has warranty and I have heard such great reviews of the factory item but there never seem to be any on ebay?
wax lyrical said:
The fundamental flaw with the E90/92 M3 is that you need to drive it at 8/10ths at least to appreciate the drivetrain.
Thats not a flaw in my opinion, thats a virtue and what makes it worth driving just for the sake of driving.I loved my e92 m3, sold it a couple of months ago and got an m135i. The m135i is a very good car , but I miss the naturally aspirated throttle response, and never ending top end of the m3.
I might get a m3/4 in a couple of years, it looks like it'll be a cracking car, but I think I'll always prefer naturally aspirated engines over the turbo'd ones.
Back on topic - The golf R is no doubt a great car, but not for me simply because its 4wd, if they did a rwd version I'd consider it.
julians said:
Thats not a flaw in my opinion, thats a virtue and what makes it worth driving just for the sake of driving.
I loved my e92 m3, sold it a couple of months ago and got an m135i. The m135i is a very good car , but I miss the naturally aspirated throttle response, and never ending top end of the m3.
I might get a m3/4 in a couple of years, it looks like it'll be a cracking car, but I think I'll always prefer naturally aspirated engines over the turbo'd ones.
Back on topic - The golf R is no doubt a great car, but not for me simply because its 4wd, if they did a rwd version I'd consider it.
I agree for an NA car it is awesome . . . I have had all sorts in the past turbo - Noble then F430 - high revving and then Exige S although supercharged it need to have it's neck rung - which was it's appeal I loved my e92 m3, sold it a couple of months ago and got an m135i. The m135i is a very good car , but I miss the naturally aspirated throttle response, and never ending top end of the m3.
I might get a m3/4 in a couple of years, it looks like it'll be a cracking car, but I think I'll always prefer naturally aspirated engines over the turbo'd ones.
Back on topic - The golf R is no doubt a great car, but not for me simply because its 4wd, if they did a rwd version I'd consider it.
...and yes it can be a barrel of laughs being RWD but for me 4WD Golf would be a different type of enjoyment however I think I should wind my neck in currently and think about it - but I do have an up coming £500 road tax..... how hum May is a really bad time of year for me with regards to bills
cheers for all the input
My other half was going down the new GTi or 135i route, until we had a go in a new R.
It's a lot quicker and more involving than a GTi and miles more composed than the Beemer down a back road (couldn't believe how unsettled the 135i became, even at moderate speeds)
The thing that surprised me about the R was the great handling, quite unlike the vast majority of VAG products.
Anyway, she loved it straight away and is awaiting delivery (leasing).
Jazzer
It's a lot quicker and more involving than a GTi and miles more composed than the Beemer down a back road (couldn't believe how unsettled the 135i became, even at moderate speeds)
The thing that surprised me about the R was the great handling, quite unlike the vast majority of VAG products.
Anyway, she loved it straight away and is awaiting delivery (leasing).
Jazzer
I sold an E92 M3 last year (my 2nd one), but had an M performance exhaust on it for the last 6 months. It was expensive but if you are keeping the car its arguably worth it. I guess you could also take it off again and sell it separately when the time comes.
On the exhaust itself, once it beds in, it really lifts the character of the car. Think more a rounded 'R8' (but with more edge) sound than the slightly flatter timbre of the conventional exhaust. And more character / volume at less mental revs too.
Mine was manual, but I drove a pal's comp / dct car (with M seats too) and that car with the exhaust would have be amazing. Kinda like a CSL but with a decent gearbox.
I have a mk7 golf GTI now as a DD and really like it. More sporty (low) driving position than the E92, leaving the dampers in comfort lets the car flow nicely, and ramping up the engine to sport gets the noise a bit rorty. Takes me back to the hot hatches of my mid 20's. The R sounds the same but more so. And the finance the dole out on these cars is epic.
On the exhaust itself, once it beds in, it really lifts the character of the car. Think more a rounded 'R8' (but with more edge) sound than the slightly flatter timbre of the conventional exhaust. And more character / volume at less mental revs too.
Mine was manual, but I drove a pal's comp / dct car (with M seats too) and that car with the exhaust would have be amazing. Kinda like a CSL but with a decent gearbox.
I have a mk7 golf GTI now as a DD and really like it. More sporty (low) driving position than the E92, leaving the dampers in comfort lets the car flow nicely, and ramping up the engine to sport gets the noise a bit rorty. Takes me back to the hot hatches of my mid 20's. The R sounds the same but more so. And the finance the dole out on these cars is epic.
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