BMW E9X M3 - bomb proof
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The main improvements to the idrive (CiC) were included in the 2009 model year car (anything built after the end of August 2008).
The lci rear light change was a bit later...myself I don't get the interest in the rear light cluster change it never looked must different between my 2008 car and my present 2013 car.
The lci rear light change was a bit later...myself I don't get the interest in the rear light cluster change it never looked must different between my 2008 car and my present 2013 car.
http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/M/4.0-V8/Swindon/2074288...
the ABOVE link is to a is LCI, aka facelift.
BELOW is Pre LCI with the old I drive
http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/M/4.0-V8/Birmingham/2074...
And to, perhaps complicate things, here is a pre LCI with the newer I drive as this, along with the introduction of DCT, did occur before the LCI
http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/M/4.0-Edition-Monte-Carl...
This link should clarify significant dates.
http://www.pistonheads.com/features/ph-buying-guid...
In my humble opinion, i.e. I've only driven rather than owned, the car is brilliant with a manual box as well as DCT ; but although I have DCT in my 335i the ones I am considering buying are manual. They put the biggest smile on my face
the ABOVE link is to a is LCI, aka facelift.
BELOW is Pre LCI with the old I drive
http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/M/4.0-V8/Birmingham/2074...
And to, perhaps complicate things, here is a pre LCI with the newer I drive as this, along with the introduction of DCT, did occur before the LCI
http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/M/4.0-Edition-Monte-Carl...
This link should clarify significant dates.
http://www.pistonheads.com/features/ph-buying-guid...
In my humble opinion, i.e. I've only driven rather than owned, the car is brilliant with a manual box as well as DCT ; but although I have DCT in my 335i the ones I am considering buying are manual. They put the biggest smile on my face
Smuler said:
In my humble opinion, i.e. I've only driven rather than owned, the car is brilliant with a manual box as well as DCT ; but although I have DCT in my 335i the ones I am considering buying are manual. They put the biggest smile on my face
I definitely agree with your point on manuals. Assuming that you enjoy changing gear all by yourself, that is. It is only with a manual transmission that you fully appreciate the throttle responsiveness of the S65 engine. Up and down changes are both a challenge and a pleasure as you need match the revs precisely - thanks to the way in which the engine revs drop instantly on no load/throttle closing. I had a 2008 MY manual, and now have a 2012 MY manual. There were some changes made (I think for 2010) to the clutch mechanism, which significantly improved progression and feel.
MWM3 said:
main things to watch out for are the throttle actuators
Yeah, I've had mine 3 years now and this was the only major issue I've had, the actuators will break without any warning signs though which is a pain. In North America it was a $3k+ job to replace them but I was lucky enough to get BMW to make a good will gesture as it happened to me just out of warranty.From memory last time I drove an E9X M3 (for about 40 meters) the clutch had a horrible delay.
I am contemplating an E90 (saloon) M3 or a C63 and I think the M3 would be a finer tool but the engine in the AMG is immense.
That being said the gearbox could sway me also. I was looking at the DCT especially with the issues with annoying nanny-state delay clutches
I am contemplating an E90 (saloon) M3 or a C63 and I think the M3 would be a finer tool but the engine in the AMG is immense.
That being said the gearbox could sway me also. I was looking at the DCT especially with the issues with annoying nanny-state delay clutches
Mine was sept 2009 and it had the earlier rear lights but it had the updated idrive controller, they moved the heated seat buttons higher up the dash on the later cars too.
Mine was a manual and I really enjoyed 8400rpm in third and then a really quick shift into fourth and that never failed to raise a smile, I do think the engine suits the DCT more though which is against the grain really for me because I don't really like two pedal cars that much.
Mine was a manual and I really enjoyed 8400rpm in third and then a really quick shift into fourth and that never failed to raise a smile, I do think the engine suits the DCT more though which is against the grain really for me because I don't really like two pedal cars that much.
xjay1337 said:
From memory last time I drove an E9X M3 (for about 40 meters) the clutch had a horrible delay.
I am contemplating an E90 (saloon) M3 or a C63 and I think the M3 would be a finer tool but the engine in the AMG is immense.
That being said the gearbox could sway me also. I was looking at the DCT especially with the issues with annoying nanny-state delay clutches
You won't get any delay from the DCT- Fantastic transmission! I am contemplating an E90 (saloon) M3 or a C63 and I think the M3 would be a finer tool but the engine in the AMG is immense.
That being said the gearbox could sway me also. I was looking at the DCT especially with the issues with annoying nanny-state delay clutches
xjay1337 said:
MWM3 said:
You won't get any delay from the DCT- Fantastic transmission!
Sorry, I was being specific about the MANUAL gearbox having a delay on the clutch. So when you lift your foot up you can remove your foot fully before the clutch comes back up.I understand the DCTs are fine.
I have had mine a year and I still love going out in it on sunny weekends they are great cars,
But for me Its got to be a dct, The low torque engine really suits the dct box, The manual box is hard work with a poor shift and poor clutch feel,
There's nothing better than driving a dct m3 hard the sound of the engine and banging though the gears up and down the box is fantastic,
But for me Its got to be a dct, The low torque engine really suits the dct box, The manual box is hard work with a poor shift and poor clutch feel,
There's nothing better than driving a dct m3 hard the sound of the engine and banging though the gears up and down the box is fantastic,
api330 said:
But for me Its got to be a dct, The low torque engine really suits the dct box, The manual box is hard work with a poor shift and poor clutch feel
Two things really. Why does everyone call this engine "low torque"? Are you all used to remapped 335d's instead of petrol NA?
The manual box is just like any other manual BMW box for the past 25 years, fine, better with a larger clutch stop.
OP. Drive both, see which one you prefer.
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