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Hi All,
I picked up an RS7 about 8 weeks ago. I have always had BMW's in the past (E46 320 when starting off, E92 335, E92 M3, E92 330d, 640d) before venturing away and trying a Maserati GTS and a 991 Turbo.
Recently decided to try something new with the RS7 and I just don't love it. Partly the interior feels a big downgrade from the 991 and the 640d in particular, partly the fact I have had it in to Audi to sort brake squeal (which isn't sorted!) and partly the fact that having an Audi has kind of reminded me why I have never had one before. I am thinking of chopping it in and getting in a 2014 onward M6 (probably coupe, but open to GC too). I am thinking one of those at £45k is such good value, and isn't going to kill me on depreciation - one nice thing about the RS7 is the fact it is worth about £1.5k more than I paid for it
Has anyone driven both and compared them?
How does the M6 sound, as the RS7 to its credit makes a fantastic noise, there aren't any M6's local to me for me to go and test drive to compare.
Any thoughts or input would be much appreciated.
I picked up an RS7 about 8 weeks ago. I have always had BMW's in the past (E46 320 when starting off, E92 335, E92 M3, E92 330d, 640d) before venturing away and trying a Maserati GTS and a 991 Turbo.
Recently decided to try something new with the RS7 and I just don't love it. Partly the interior feels a big downgrade from the 991 and the 640d in particular, partly the fact I have had it in to Audi to sort brake squeal (which isn't sorted!) and partly the fact that having an Audi has kind of reminded me why I have never had one before. I am thinking of chopping it in and getting in a 2014 onward M6 (probably coupe, but open to GC too). I am thinking one of those at £45k is such good value, and isn't going to kill me on depreciation - one nice thing about the RS7 is the fact it is worth about £1.5k more than I paid for it
Has anyone driven both and compared them?
How does the M6 sound, as the RS7 to its credit makes a fantastic noise, there aren't any M6's local to me for me to go and test drive to compare.
Any thoughts or input would be much appreciated.
Drove an RS7 at an Audi Sport track event a few weeks ago & although fun, it really wasn't very dynamic. Also driven a few RS6's & TBH got the same feeling, however both fantastic cars & the usual traits applies that in less than ideal conditions, the RS's would probably see of the equivalent M in a straight line, but for me an exiting drive needs to offer more. The RS's do sound much better than the M's with stock exhausts, so if that's your thing you'll be disappointed a little.
Curious as to how you've achieved an RS7 that's appreciated as they're possibly Audi's worst depreciating RS & the RS6's are now starting to drop with pace due to the support from Audi on new ones (the reveres of what BMW did with the M5/6).
Both great cars & although i chose the F10 M5, had the M6GC been available when i got mine & had similar deals been available as have been on the M6GC for a while now, i'd have likely taken an M6, but wasn't the case so the 5 it was.
Curious as to how you've achieved an RS7 that's appreciated as they're possibly Audi's worst depreciating RS & the RS6's are now starting to drop with pace due to the support from Audi on new ones (the reveres of what BMW did with the M5/6).
Both great cars & although i chose the F10 M5, had the M6GC been available when i got mine & had similar deals been available as have been on the M6GC for a while now, i'd have likely taken an M6, but wasn't the case so the 5 it was.
I think I got lucky.....bought one at more than £4k less than the cheapest currently on Auto Trader and have someone who is willing to take it off me. They can make a couple of k and I am still up too so win all around
Can't find an M6 local to me to drive so I am going to have to make a call on taking a punt! I have seen a couple of YouTube videos which make me think the sound is ok, even if perhaps not quite as epic as the RS.
Decisions, decisions.....
Can't find an M6 local to me to drive so I am going to have to make a call on taking a punt! I have seen a couple of YouTube videos which make me think the sound is ok, even if perhaps not quite as epic as the RS.
Decisions, decisions.....
E65Ross said:
haven't driven the RS7 and have only driven an M6 coupe. Really nice GT car, interior feels nice, it's pretty quiet and the ride isn't too bad. The noise is a bit s
t though in my opinion.
Thanks for this. Had a 640d for a bit and the interior was superb. The Audi feels a bit of a letdown interior wise. Certainly doesn't feel like a £100k car (in my own opinion) t though in my opinion.I'm sure some may disagree, but i think BMW have Audi licked on interior quality pretty much across the range. That said, Audi's Virtual Cockpit is fantastic & some of the comparable models are at different points in their lifecycle, but i think the F10 5 Series has a far nicer interior to the C7 A6 (these models tend to run at similar lifecycle points). I had a new 7 Series for a couple of days this week & that destroys the equivalent A8 in virtually every way, however the A8 is due a major refresh within the next 12mths so no doubt Audi will raise the bar & the A8 will of course have the virtual cockpit. Also had a new Q7 for a while & that's far nicer inside than the equivalent X5.
W8PMC said:
I'm sure some may disagree, but i think BMW have Audi licked on interior quality pretty much across the range. That said, Audi's Virtual Cockpit is fantastic & some of the comparable models are at different points in their lifecycle, but i think the F10 5 Series has a far nicer interior to the C7 A6 (these models tend to run at similar lifecycle points). I had a new 7 Series for a couple of days this week & that destroys the equivalent A8 in virtually every way, however the A8 is due a major refresh within the next 12mths so no doubt Audi will raise the bar & the A8 will of course have the virtual cockpit. Also had a new Q7 for a while & that's far nicer inside than the equivalent X5.
I agree from what I have seen, definitely. The new Q7 interior looks a massive step on from the old one, it is pretty impressive. When it comes to interiors I think the new Panamera blows most things away (based on the images/videos, obviously not seen it in person yet!). Patiently waiting for them to be released and then depreciate by 30 odd% before taking advantage I am taking the plunge on the M6, buying it blind as there isn't one locally to drive, but the chance to make a profit on an RS car after 2 months of ownership is too hard to turn down. Plus the M6 is 4k cheaper than any other of the same age on auto trader so I might find myself in the same situation in a few months time!
Good choice.
Just bought a 2015 M6 GC with Competition Pack. Brilliant car. So calm when you want it then sublime when pushed to perform. Had a 2010 RS6 with MRC tune prior to this so interior a massive improvement.
I looked at the RS7 but the rear end just doesnt appeal to me whereas the shape of the GC looks elegant and aggressive in just the right amount.
When buying, nearly went the new route as I was being offered 0% finance plus 10k BMW assistance coupled with 15k Dealer assistance but just couldnt justify seeing the best part of 45k disappear in depreciation in 2 years.
Mine has covered just 7k miles in two years and still looks and feels brand new. Much better screwed together than the previous cars I have had.
So, so far so good.
Enjoy your choice.
Kev
Just bought a 2015 M6 GC with Competition Pack. Brilliant car. So calm when you want it then sublime when pushed to perform. Had a 2010 RS6 with MRC tune prior to this so interior a massive improvement.
I looked at the RS7 but the rear end just doesnt appeal to me whereas the shape of the GC looks elegant and aggressive in just the right amount.
When buying, nearly went the new route as I was being offered 0% finance plus 10k BMW assistance coupled with 15k Dealer assistance but just couldnt justify seeing the best part of 45k disappear in depreciation in 2 years.
Mine has covered just 7k miles in two years and still looks and feels brand new. Much better screwed together than the previous cars I have had.
So, so far so good.
Enjoy your choice.
Kev
KevF said:
Good choice.
Just bought a 2015 M6 GC with Competition Pack. Brilliant car. So calm when you want it then sublime when pushed to perform. Had a 2010 RS6 with MRC tune prior to this so interior a massive improvement.
I looked at the RS7 but the rear end just doesnt appeal to me whereas the shape of the GC looks elegant and aggressive in just the right amount.
When buying, nearly went the new route as I was being offered 0% finance plus 10k BMW assistance coupled with 15k Dealer assistance but just couldnt justify seeing the best part of 45k disappear in depreciation in 2 years.
Mine has covered just 7k miles in two years and still looks and feels brand new. Much better screwed together than the previous cars I have had.
So, so far so good.
Enjoy your choice.
Kev
Kev, I'm not sure I get your reasoning. £25k 'discount' makes it a £70k car plus options, before any negotiation. It's so well specced as standard that I can't imagine you would need more than a few thousand for options. If competition pack is included then let's call it a £75k to £80k car. So in 2 years you wouldn't lose £45k would you? In any case, can't you just hand it back if the depreciation is excessive. Over 4 years I think you can secure a £750 monthly payment, call it £800 with extras. Deposit of £7k and 47 x £800 gives £45k paid out over 4 years, not 2 years. If it's worth more than £30-£35k at the end pay it off and sell or keep depending on preference.Just bought a 2015 M6 GC with Competition Pack. Brilliant car. So calm when you want it then sublime when pushed to perform. Had a 2010 RS6 with MRC tune prior to this so interior a massive improvement.
I looked at the RS7 but the rear end just doesnt appeal to me whereas the shape of the GC looks elegant and aggressive in just the right amount.
When buying, nearly went the new route as I was being offered 0% finance plus 10k BMW assistance coupled with 15k Dealer assistance but just couldnt justify seeing the best part of 45k disappear in depreciation in 2 years.
Mine has covered just 7k miles in two years and still looks and feels brand new. Much better screwed together than the previous cars I have had.
So, so far so good.
Enjoy your choice.
Kev
I'm thinking aloud as I might take the plunge myself but can't see why second hand makes any sense, especially if dealer finance is offered at 10% APR on second hand cars instead of zero. How negotiable is the second-hand finance?
GT119 said:
Kev, I'm not sure I get your reasoning. £25k 'discount' makes it a £70k car plus options, before any negotiation. It's so well specced as standard that I can't imagine you would need more than a few thousand for options. If competition pack is included then let's call it a £75k to £80k car. So in 2 years you wouldn't lose £45k would you? In any case, can't you just hand it back if the depreciation is excessive. Over 4 years I think you can secure a £750 monthly payment, call it £800 with extras. Deposit of £7k and 47 x £800 gives £45k paid out over 4 years, not 2 years. If it's worth more than £30-£35k at the end pay it off and sell or keep depending on preference.
I'm thinking aloud as I might take the plunge myself but can't see why second hand makes any sense, especially if dealer finance is offered at 10% APR on second hand cars instead of zero. How negotiable is the second-hand finance?
The car I have now had a window price of £121k. I paid under half of that for it 18 months later with only 7700 miles. So someone took a massive hit in depreciation but understand your man maths...lol. I am looking to keep hold of it for more than 18 months however but if you can get a good deal then go for itI'm thinking aloud as I might take the plunge myself but can't see why second hand makes any sense, especially if dealer finance is offered at 10% APR on second hand cars instead of zero. How negotiable is the second-hand finance?
Good to see this thread still going, haven't checked it for a while!
So I went with the M6, 2 months later I am about to sell up and get into a Range Rover.
Couldn't agree more with woollyjoe, what a superbly accurate summary of both (in my opinion). Being honest I think you need to be a better driver than me to really get maximum enjoyment out of the M6. I find myself unable to utilise the power it offers, and with it now being winter this is even more the case.
Having had the 911 Turbo and RS7 (with such usable power that the novelty wears off) and the M6 (opinions above) I realise the refinement and comfort that a 4 x 4 brings better suits my use of a car (commuting in and out of Manchester daily, 10 miles each way at an appallingly low average speed due to traffic) and that I would get more enjoyment from a car with this as its selling point rather than performance.
The M6 has been fun, but saying goodbye to it I am sure it'll make someone else very happy!
So I went with the M6, 2 months later I am about to sell up and get into a Range Rover.
Couldn't agree more with woollyjoe, what a superbly accurate summary of both (in my opinion). Being honest I think you need to be a better driver than me to really get maximum enjoyment out of the M6. I find myself unable to utilise the power it offers, and with it now being winter this is even more the case.
Having had the 911 Turbo and RS7 (with such usable power that the novelty wears off) and the M6 (opinions above) I realise the refinement and comfort that a 4 x 4 brings better suits my use of a car (commuting in and out of Manchester daily, 10 miles each way at an appallingly low average speed due to traffic) and that I would get more enjoyment from a car with this as its selling point rather than performance.
The M6 has been fun, but saying goodbye to it
I am sure it'll make someone else very happy! HoHoHo said:
GT119 said:
How negotiable is the second-hand finance?
Have a chat with Oracle Finance.They'll finance any newish second grand vehicle at around 5% APR (well they were quoting that about 4 months ago)
GT119 said:
KevF said:
Good choice.
Just bought a 2015 M6 GC with Competition Pack. Brilliant car. So calm when you want it then sublime when pushed to perform. Had a 2010 RS6 with MRC tune prior to this so interior a massive improvement.
I looked at the RS7 but the rear end just doesnt appeal to me whereas the shape of the GC looks elegant and aggressive in just the right amount.
When buying, nearly went the new route as I was being offered 0% finance plus 10k BMW assistance coupled with 15k Dealer assistance but just couldnt justify seeing the best part of 45k disappear in depreciation in 2 years.
Mine has covered just 7k miles in two years and still looks and feels brand new. Much better screwed together than the previous cars I have had.
So, so far so good.
Enjoy your choice.
Kev
Kev, I'm not sure I get your reasoning. £25k 'discount' makes it a £70k car plus options, before any negotiation. It's so well specced as standard that I can't imagine you would need more than a few thousand for options. If competition pack is included then let's call it a £75k to £80k car. So in 2 years you wouldn't lose £45k would you? In any case, can't you just hand it back if the depreciation is excessive. Over 4 years I think you can secure a £750 monthly payment, call it £800 with extras. Deposit of £7k and 47 x £800 gives £45k paid out over 4 years, not 2 years. If it's worth more than £30-£35k at the end pay it off and sell or keep depending on preference.Just bought a 2015 M6 GC with Competition Pack. Brilliant car. So calm when you want it then sublime when pushed to perform. Had a 2010 RS6 with MRC tune prior to this so interior a massive improvement.
I looked at the RS7 but the rear end just doesnt appeal to me whereas the shape of the GC looks elegant and aggressive in just the right amount.
When buying, nearly went the new route as I was being offered 0% finance plus 10k BMW assistance coupled with 15k Dealer assistance but just couldnt justify seeing the best part of 45k disappear in depreciation in 2 years.
Mine has covered just 7k miles in two years and still looks and feels brand new. Much better screwed together than the previous cars I have had.
So, so far so good.
Enjoy your choice.
Kev
I'm thinking aloud as I might take the plunge myself but can't see why second hand makes any sense, especially if dealer finance is offered at 10% APR on second hand cars instead of zero. How negotiable is the second-hand finance?
You can get a used one for £4k down £600 a month give or take, which makes it feel incredibly cheap for such a car. Even if you assume you wont see your £600 a month back at the end of it most people would be happy to "rent" a car that listed at £100k 2-3 years ago for £600 p/month.
I guess the difference between £7k down/£800 a month is marginal versus £4k down/£600 per month (plus you get a shiny new one doing it that way!), but I will be out of mine without losing anything which definitely wouldn't be the same if I had gone new. Granted the timescales I am keeping mine for is pretty abnormal.
Well why not a RS6 estate?
I am also thinking of the M6 vs RS6 debate. I also have the 911 in there.
I have two kids so space is important, so is safety and I do want performance and luxury. Unfortunately the only car that fits the bill is a Bentley GT. I can't stretch to the £75-80k needed for a decent one.
The M6 does all I need it to apart from it's not AWD which means in the wet and cold it's a dangerous car.
The RS6's interior is pants and the estate form doesn't appeal to me.
The 911 is cramped on space and will out grown my family needs in 3-4 years and also safety is a concern with no airbags in the back.
Sodding heck. Why doesn't 50-60k buy you a decent car!
I am also thinking of the M6 vs RS6 debate. I also have the 911 in there.
I have two kids so space is important, so is safety and I do want performance and luxury. Unfortunately the only car that fits the bill is a Bentley GT. I can't stretch to the £75-80k needed for a decent one.
The M6 does all I need it to apart from it's not AWD which means in the wet and cold it's a dangerous car.
The RS6's interior is pants and the estate form doesn't appeal to me.
The 911 is cramped on space and will out grown my family needs in 3-4 years and also safety is a concern with no airbags in the back.
Sodding heck. Why doesn't 50-60k buy you a decent car!
Lostprophet said:
Well why not a RS6 estate?
I am also thinking of the M6 vs RS6 debate. I also have the 911 in there.
I have two kids so space is important, so is safety and I do want performance and luxury. Unfortunately the only car that fits the bill is a Bentley GT. I can't stretch to the £75-80k needed for a decent one.
The M6 does all I need it to apart from it's not AWD which means in the wet and cold it's a dangerous car.
The RS6's interior is pants and the estate form doesn't appeal to me.
The 911 is cramped on space and will out grown my family needs in 3-4 years and also safety is a concern with no airbags in the back.
Sodding heck. Why doesn't 50-60k buy you a decent car!
If you want M6 performance with added practicality for £50-60k then look at the M5 - granted the interior isn't as luxurious and it doesn't have the same presence - but is a performance bargin if you can still order a new one with big discounts. Automatically dangerous in the cold and wet? Only in the wrong hands I guess. Will be fitting my winters shortly, though I managed last year just fine without them.I am also thinking of the M6 vs RS6 debate. I also have the 911 in there.
I have two kids so space is important, so is safety and I do want performance and luxury. Unfortunately the only car that fits the bill is a Bentley GT. I can't stretch to the £75-80k needed for a decent one.
The M6 does all I need it to apart from it's not AWD which means in the wet and cold it's a dangerous car.
The RS6's interior is pants and the estate form doesn't appeal to me.
The 911 is cramped on space and will out grown my family needs in 3-4 years and also safety is a concern with no airbags in the back.
Sodding heck. Why doesn't 50-60k buy you a decent car!
Edited by theboss on Wednesday 9th November 13:35
Lostprophet said:
Well why not a RS6 estate?
I am also thinking of the M6 vs RS6 debate. I also have the 911 in there.
I have two kids so space is important, so is safety and I do want performance and luxury. Unfortunately the only car that fits the bill is a Bentley GT. I can't stretch to the £75-80k needed for a decent one.
The M6 does all I need it to apart from it's not AWD which means in the wet and cold it's a dangerous car.
The RS6's interior is pants and the estate form doesn't appeal to me.
The 911 is cramped on space and will out grown my family needs in 3-4 years and also safety is a concern with no airbags in the back.
Sodding heck. Why doesn't 50-60k buy you a decent car!
Does a Cayenne Turbo (which can simply put be driven like a car!), Macan Turbo or Panamera Turbo tick the box? All within budget - just.I am also thinking of the M6 vs RS6 debate. I also have the 911 in there.
I have two kids so space is important, so is safety and I do want performance and luxury. Unfortunately the only car that fits the bill is a Bentley GT. I can't stretch to the £75-80k needed for a decent one.
The M6 does all I need it to apart from it's not AWD which means in the wet and cold it's a dangerous car.
The RS6's interior is pants and the estate form doesn't appeal to me.
The 911 is cramped on space and will out grown my family needs in 3-4 years and also safety is a concern with no airbags in the back.
Sodding heck. Why doesn't 50-60k buy you a decent car!
Great performance, Porsche quality refinement/luxury etc etc?
I couldn't live with the RS7 interior coming from a Panamera, it felt comparatively cheap to me.
Lostprophet said:
Well why not a RS6 estate?
I am also thinking of the M6 vs RS6 debate. I also have the 911 in there.
I have two kids so space is important, so is safety and I do want performance and luxury. Unfortunately the only car that fits the bill is a Bentley GT. I can't stretch to the £75-80k needed for a decent one.
The M6 does all I need it to apart from it's not AWD which means in the wet and cold it's a dangerous car.
The RS6's interior is pants and the estate form doesn't appeal to me.
The 911 is cramped on space and will out grown my family needs in 3-4 years and also safety is a concern with no airbags in the back.
Sodding heck. Why doesn't 50-60k buy you a decent car!
Not sure how you can state the M6/M5 being non AWD is dangerous. As should also be the case in an AWD car unless you have a death wish, when the conditions worsen, reduce the pressure applied to the loud pedal & you'll likely live.I am also thinking of the M6 vs RS6 debate. I also have the 911 in there.
I have two kids so space is important, so is safety and I do want performance and luxury. Unfortunately the only car that fits the bill is a Bentley GT. I can't stretch to the £75-80k needed for a decent one.
The M6 does all I need it to apart from it's not AWD which means in the wet and cold it's a dangerous car.
The RS6's interior is pants and the estate form doesn't appeal to me.
The 911 is cramped on space and will out grown my family needs in 3-4 years and also safety is a concern with no airbags in the back.
Sodding heck. Why doesn't 50-60k buy you a decent car!
Does bug me when i read this notion that AWD is the saviour of all things car related & that RWD is the widow maker. I'm pushing 750bhp out of my F10 M5 & my only moments have been in the dry, when it's cold & wet i take a little extra care & have so far survived.
What is the case in a powerful RWD car is you need to think a little before burying the loud pedal (wet or dry), but the various Traction devices will quite happily bring everything back into shape should you have a moment in the wet or dry.
I had a fast but uneventful drive home from Suffolk to West Lancs yesterday with Summer tyres on in the wet & with temps of no higher than 4 degrees & i survived
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