Discussion
Possibly and odd comparison, but due to the phenomenon that is depreciation someone with 25-30k to spend could be in the market for either (or own one and have the opportunity to easily change). Which one is:
1. Best overall
2. Destined to be a classic
3. Best fun on a A/B Road run
4. Best for a 1/2 week blat around Europe
1. Best overall
2. Destined to be a classic
3. Best fun on a A/B Road run
4. Best for a 1/2 week blat around Europe
Not quite the same, but I went from a 645 convertible to a Z4MR.
1. 645 for refinement & toys, Z4MR for fun.
2. Wouldn't know.
3. Z4MR
4. Depends if you want refinement or fun.
The 6 series is an awesome GT, but the Z4MR is a sports car. So I guess it depends what you want from the car - fun, or relaxation.
Of course, I don't know about the M6, so my opinion is not necessarily valid. But I thought I'd throw it in anyway.
1. 645 for refinement & toys, Z4MR for fun.
2. Wouldn't know.
3. Z4MR
4. Depends if you want refinement or fun.
The 6 series is an awesome GT, but the Z4MR is a sports car. So I guess it depends what you want from the car - fun, or relaxation.
Of course, I don't know about the M6, so my opinion is not necessarily valid. But I thought I'd throw it in anyway.
Completely chalk and cheese so depends on your driving style and requirements.
I went through something similar with a SL500 and Z4M - for me it was the M every time. Haven't driven a 6 but still a fast GT compared to a sports car so drive them back to back and have a think Which style of car would suit you better
I went through something similar with a SL500 and Z4M - for me it was the M every time. Haven't driven a 6 but still a fast GT compared to a sports car so drive them back to back and have a think Which style of car would suit you better
Possibly and odd comparison, but due to the phenomenon that is depreciation someone with 25-30k to spend could be in the market for either (or own one and have the opportunity to easily change). Which one is:
1. Best overall
2. Destined to be a classic
3. Best fun on a A/B Road run
4. Best for a 1/2 week blat around Europe
Did I hear someone calling?
Personally I don`t think I would be looking at M6s in this price range, for a few reasons really. The updated software in post 2007 cars makes the SMG work a lot better, I know you can get updates but try getting BMW to do them FOC.
I would not be buying from anywhere apart from BMW dealer with their warranty, to do otherwise is foolhardy. Spec is very important. A car with the full leather (not extended leather) looks a lot more special. The carbon dash looks a bit garish, and piano black suits the car a lot more.
Looking on the BMW AUC website there isn`t actually a car I would buy there at the moment. Either too old with too high a mileage or not the correct spec.
Taking that out of the equation there is a HUGE disparity in running costs between the Z4MC and the M6. You can pretty much multiply by 1.7 the costs of one to the other.
To answer your points:
1) Completely subjective but for me the M6 but that is because it suits my driving a whole lot more, I can take my son and my fiancé out. It`s 10 times more relaxing and comfortable to drive and the quality is on another level. You could tell the Z4 was made in America. When you press that M button you`d better be in a Gallardo LP560 or an F430 to take car lengths and even then you`ll not get far.
2) Personally I don`t think the Z4MC will become a classic like the Z3MC before it. Not even sure the M6 will either. History will, of course, be the judge.
3) I`m going to be a bit contentious on this and say the M6 for both. You wouldn`t think it because of the size and weight but the chassis on the M6 is just a lot better resolved than the skittish Z4MC. The steering is infinitely better than on the M5 and you can incise a perfect line through a corner with a lot more information at your fingertips. You would not think there was a V10 in front of you. On an A road the lateral grip in the M6 and the confidence is inspires would see me arriving home without the cold sweat and shakes that the Z4 gave me.
4) M6 again: Luggage space, stereo, comfort, autobahn speed, ride comfort, did I mention ride comfort? It bears saying again......Ride comfort!!
1. Best overall
2. Destined to be a classic
3. Best fun on a A/B Road run
4. Best for a 1/2 week blat around Europe
Did I hear someone calling?
Personally I don`t think I would be looking at M6s in this price range, for a few reasons really. The updated software in post 2007 cars makes the SMG work a lot better, I know you can get updates but try getting BMW to do them FOC.
I would not be buying from anywhere apart from BMW dealer with their warranty, to do otherwise is foolhardy. Spec is very important. A car with the full leather (not extended leather) looks a lot more special. The carbon dash looks a bit garish, and piano black suits the car a lot more.
Looking on the BMW AUC website there isn`t actually a car I would buy there at the moment. Either too old with too high a mileage or not the correct spec.
Taking that out of the equation there is a HUGE disparity in running costs between the Z4MC and the M6. You can pretty much multiply by 1.7 the costs of one to the other.
To answer your points:
1) Completely subjective but for me the M6 but that is because it suits my driving a whole lot more, I can take my son and my fiancé out. It`s 10 times more relaxing and comfortable to drive and the quality is on another level. You could tell the Z4 was made in America. When you press that M button you`d better be in a Gallardo LP560 or an F430 to take car lengths and even then you`ll not get far.
2) Personally I don`t think the Z4MC will become a classic like the Z3MC before it. Not even sure the M6 will either. History will, of course, be the judge.
3) I`m going to be a bit contentious on this and say the M6 for both. You wouldn`t think it because of the size and weight but the chassis on the M6 is just a lot better resolved than the skittish Z4MC. The steering is infinitely better than on the M5 and you can incise a perfect line through a corner with a lot more information at your fingertips. You would not think there was a V10 in front of you. On an A road the lateral grip in the M6 and the confidence is inspires would see me arriving home without the cold sweat and shakes that the Z4 gave me.
4) M6 again: Luggage space, stereo, comfort, autobahn speed, ride comfort, did I mention ride comfort? It bears saying again......Ride comfort!!
Have owned a Z4 (3.0si, so not so far from ///M) and currently own M6...
1. Best overall
M6. Without hesitation.
2. Destined to be a classic
I'd say the M6 will eventually. Far too many Z's out there to become a classic this century, but M6's... not so many, plus the last of the naturally aspirated V10's.
3. Best fun on a A/B Road run
Hmm, tough one, but the Z4 probably just pips it for sheer driving pleasure, it really is like a go-kart at times. For sheer acceleration, well the M6 clearly wins that, but don't be fooled, it's no slouch around tight bends etc. I've also taken both around a track, both are very capable, the Z4 being the most fun.
4. Best for a 1/2 week blat around Europe
M6. I've driven mine around the Alps on an 8 day trip... phenomenal.
1. Best overall
M6. Without hesitation.
2. Destined to be a classic
I'd say the M6 will eventually. Far too many Z's out there to become a classic this century, but M6's... not so many, plus the last of the naturally aspirated V10's.
3. Best fun on a A/B Road run
Hmm, tough one, but the Z4 probably just pips it for sheer driving pleasure, it really is like a go-kart at times. For sheer acceleration, well the M6 clearly wins that, but don't be fooled, it's no slouch around tight bends etc. I've also taken both around a track, both are very capable, the Z4 being the most fun.
4. Best for a 1/2 week blat around Europe
M6. I've driven mine around the Alps on an 8 day trip... phenomenal.
I would have thought there were more M6s than Z4MCs within the UK.
The M6 was more than double the price of the Z4M which is something to bear in mind.
If running costs don't mean much to you the M6 is the better daily driver but the Zed would be more fun at the weekends. I would also consider an E92 as a middle option.
The M6 was more than double the price of the Z4M which is something to bear in mind.
If running costs don't mean much to you the M6 is the better daily driver but the Zed would be more fun at the weekends. I would also consider an E92 as a middle option.
daz4m said:
I would have thought there were more M6s than Z4MCs within the UK.
BMW sold 619 M6's in UK & Ireland from 2005 to 2010. (Don't know the stats for Z4m). I had an E46 M3 (same engine as Z4) & now have an M6. I would recommend the M6 & it's a keeper for me. I think fair comparison on running costs of x 1.7, although insurance is less in the M6 than M3, albeit i'm 7 years older!
I would advise BMW warranty, there's too many computer based bits - which will go wrong, you just have to factor this into ownership - you will be driving a 1 series for a few weeks a year (or if you're really lucky a Fiesta!).
Just noticed you've got a Z1, my brother has one - from new with 2000 miles on clock. (he only drives it to MOT centre!)
I seem to recall from other threads that only around 500 Z4MC UK cars were built, so could well be rarer than the M6 (prepared to stand corrected though).
Having owned a Z4MC and test driven an M6 would agree they are chalk and cheese.
M6 is a like the Starship Enterprise, effortlessly fast and full of technology. Z4MC is like an early fighter plane - pretty basic and scares the hell out of you sometimes, but a lot of fun!
Having owned a Z4MC and test driven an M6 would agree they are chalk and cheese.
M6 is a like the Starship Enterprise, effortlessly fast and full of technology. Z4MC is like an early fighter plane - pretty basic and scares the hell out of you sometimes, but a lot of fun!
mat205125 said:
I "accidently" found myself in the Z4MC section of the classifieds yesterday ...... God, I'm tempted to consider one. Their residuals have crept within reach, however also stabilised to a strong level.
I reckon there's a good window in the next few months while it's darker / colder. I keep an eye on prices of these as interested what I could sell mine for (although not interested in selling at the moment), I reckon they've gone up by 1k to 2k in the last six months.Edited by Vinny09 on Thursday 28th October 11:38
Thanks for all the replys. Asked the question because while I love my Z4MC I can't bring myself to put 15k a year on it driving at an average if 50mph around the M25, so I use my 325i for that. After reading a thread about the kind of money required to get into an M6, the prospect of replacing both with an M6 is hard to ignore. The 10 cylinder ///M engine is also pretty exciting.
Thinking I'll try and test drive one, but the concerns that the responses throw up are:
- While they can be had for less than 30k, the spec, age and warranty I might want/need might push that number up considerably
- Spending time on the motorways of Soutn East England with it will still be a waste
- I'll miss the Z4 too much, as on the right road it's brilliant
Guess it's time for a test drive and some thinking.
Thanks for all the replys
Thinking I'll try and test drive one, but the concerns that the responses throw up are:
- While they can be had for less than 30k, the spec, age and warranty I might want/need might push that number up considerably
- Spending time on the motorways of Soutn East England with it will still be a waste
- I'll miss the Z4 too much, as on the right road it's brilliant
Guess it's time for a test drive and some thinking.
Thanks for all the replys
survivalist said:
@fen7on (sorry, no idea how to quote posts) - 2k on a Z1 is amazing, I thought mine was low at 20k. And I felt guitly because it's only been to Le Mans and Goodwood this year. Must be in amazing condition .
Just click the quote tab . It's in exceptional condition, although it's still on original tyres, so they're not exactly round anymore! It's a (top?) red one. Last photo I took of it was in 1990! - must take another one along with my M6 & his M3.
A while ago I was in a Honda dealer when some chavvy girl was being told that all the brakes had seized on her knackered old S2000 and it was going to be about 1500 quid to sort them out. Clearly she didn't have 15 quid let alone 1500, but had bought the car because she could get finance and thought it would be as expensive to run as whatever heap she traded in. I am not for one minute suggesting that the OP hasn't considered the potential costs involved in owning an M6, but this clearly isn't a straightforward decision. You can get the very best Z4M or one of the very worst non-dealer M6s. On top of that if anything goes wrong that isn't covered by the warranty the costs of fixing the M6 are going to be astronomical.
Just out of interest, does anyone think that the V10 M5s and M6s are going to be virtually unsellable when you can no longer buy a BMW warranty? How much does a V10 cost? 15-20k? How about a gearbox? 10k? The thought of getting clobbered by one of those bills makes me feel quite ill.
Just out of interest, does anyone think that the V10 M5s and M6s are going to be virtually unsellable when you can no longer buy a BMW warranty? How much does a V10 cost? 15-20k? How about a gearbox? 10k? The thought of getting clobbered by one of those bills makes me feel quite ill.
SonicHedgeHog said:
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Just out of interest, does anyone think that the V10 M5s and M6s are going to be virtually unsellable when you can no longer buy a BMW warranty? How much does a V10 cost? 15-20k? How about a gearbox? 10k? The thought of getting clobbered by one of those bills makes me feel quite ill.
Is the E39M5 that much cheaper? All V8/V10 cars are going to be super expensive if they go wrong, but are a great pleasure if they do not. I would not buy one for high mileage motoring (for the fuel costs alone) but for 5k miles per annum, worth considering.Just out of interest, does anyone think that the V10 M5s and M6s are going to be virtually unsellable when you can no longer buy a BMW warranty? How much does a V10 cost? 15-20k? How about a gearbox? 10k? The thought of getting clobbered by one of those bills makes me feel quite ill.
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