No more Z4M's only the 3.5 petrol - comments
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oblio said:
Hi
Does anyone have any views on this?
I believe that the 'new' Z4 does not come as an M variant and the 3.5l engine is the top spec. Has anyone driven both and can they comment on this - speed,accelaration, handling etc?
ta
You can't spell, realise that it's actually a 3.0 twin turbo engine and fail to comment on the 100kg+ weight gain. Does anyone have any views on this?
I believe that the 'new' Z4 does not come as an M variant and the 3.5l engine is the top spec. Has anyone driven both and can they comment on this - speed,accelaration, handling etc?
ta
Ok - acceleration (pedant 
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Apologies on the engine size - my error
In your opinion what difference does the weight make?
Edited to add: Have I got this right? I was told by a dealer that the Z4 was no longer available in an M version however various BMW websites still have them on? I'm confused...
)Apologies on the engine size - my error
In your opinion what difference does the weight make?
Edited to add: Have I got this right? I was told by a dealer that the Z4 was no longer available in an M version however various BMW websites still have them on? I'm confused...
Edited by oblio on Tuesday 22 February 13:14
oblio said:
Edited to add: Have I got this right? I was told by a dealer that the Z4 was no longer available in an M version however various BMW websites still have them on? I'm confused...
I suspect what the BMW website is listing is the 'M Sport' version of the Z4, which usually consists of a bodykit, uprated wheels and suspension, and a couple of other bits and pieces.Edited by oblio on Tuesday 22 February 13:14
There is definately no actual M Power version of the new Z4 as yet. The closest you'll get is the 35iS version which has the engine uprated to 340bhp and the DCT gearbox.
I don't think it will lose much, if anything, in straight line speed to the old Z4M, but I think it will major on ease of use and refinement, and lack the raw, back to basics feel that people loved about the old car.
carl_w said:
I believe the weight gain is some 200kg, particularly when comparing to the alloy-engined non-M E85/6 Z4.
Yup. Z4m Coupe = 1,425kg or Z4 roadster = 1,450kg. New Z4 sDrive 35i = 1,600kg. Will be close in a straightline due to the extra torque and flatter power band in the new Z4, but that amount of weight when it gets twisty is going to really hurt in comparison... Oh and the noise is on a whole different planet for the old M's.. :-)
The only way I see the Z4 making its way into the M line up is for them to make it a fixed coupe and drop a load of weight and maybe sneak a bit more power from the current engine. We know with the new 1 Coupe M thing that the old na engines are a thing of the past now :-(
Having said that, with the X5 and X6M's in the line up, maybe they will just turn up the power even more and just slap a load of M badges on it...
M5Dave said:
I suspect what the BMW website is listing is the 'M Sport' version of the Z4, which usually consists of a bodykit, uprated wheels and suspension, and a couple of other bits and pieces.
There is definately no actual M Power version of the new Z4 as yet. The closest you'll get is the 35iS version which has the engine uprated to 340bhp and the DCT gearbox.
I don't think it will lose much, if anything, in straight line speed to the old Z4M, but I think it will major on ease of use and refinement, and lack the raw, back to basics feel that people loved about the old car.
Thanks M5DaveThere is definately no actual M Power version of the new Z4 as yet. The closest you'll get is the 35iS version which has the engine uprated to 340bhp and the DCT gearbox.
I don't think it will lose much, if anything, in straight line speed to the old Z4M, but I think it will major on ease of use and refinement, and lack the raw, back to basics feel that people loved about the old car.
That does help explain my confusion
pilchardthecat said:
Wiggwam said:
Yup. Z4m Coupe = 1,425kg or Z4 roadster = 1,450kg. New Z4 sDrive 35i = 1,600kg.
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Almost, but the Z4M Roadster is actually 22kg lighter than the coupe version. ...
I said this a while back... look at list + desireable options on Z4-35i whatever it is... to then segment a proper M version your into 50K territory. so unlikely to see a new Z4M.
also bear in mind the old Z4M was substantially differentiated from the other z4s ..... the engine, the M diff, non runflats, non-electric steering, CSL dervied suspension, floating cross-drilled large brakes...
also bear in mind the old Z4M was substantially differentiated from the other z4s ..... the engine, the M diff, non runflats, non-electric steering, CSL dervied suspension, floating cross-drilled large brakes...
The owner's manual quotes weights of 1453kg on the MR and 1465kg on the MC. I'm not sure where EVO gets any of its info from but basically there's not much in it. Shame BM didn't try and get near or better than this weight for the new model, I think that's why the E89 seems to be struggling to win over the existing z4 owners like me. Most of the reviews indicate that the weight gain has blunted the handling even if ride comfort is meant to be considerably improved.
physprof said:
I said this a while back... look at list + desireable options on Z4-35i whatever it is... to then segment a proper M version your into 50K territory. so unlikely to see a new Z4M.
also bear in mind the old Z4M was substantially differentiated from the other z4s ..... the engine, the M diff, non runflats, non-electric steering, CSL dervied suspension, floating cross-drilled large brakes...
Really? A Z4 with the new 4.0 V8 isn't worth 50k? I'm sure if it were to go ahead it would also carry across some of the M3 running gear like the original Z4M did.also bear in mind the old Z4M was substantially differentiated from the other z4s ..... the engine, the M diff, non runflats, non-electric steering, CSL dervied suspension, floating cross-drilled large brakes...
What was the E46 M3 list price... somewhere ITRO £48k when new? The Z4M/C around £42k?
So if the E90/2 M3 is pushing the high 50s, then a Z4M would quite easily sit in the low 50k bracket.
sixspeed said:
physprof said:
I said this a while back... look at list + desireable options on Z4-35i whatever it is... to then segment a proper M version your into 50K territory. so unlikely to see a new Z4M.
also bear in mind the old Z4M was substantially differentiated from the other z4s ..... the engine, the M diff, non runflats, non-electric steering, CSL dervied suspension, floating cross-drilled large brakes...
Really? A Z4 with the new 4.0 V8 isn't worth 50k? I'm sure if it were to go ahead it would also carry across some of the M3 running gear like the original Z4M did.also bear in mind the old Z4M was substantially differentiated from the other z4s ..... the engine, the M diff, non runflats, non-electric steering, CSL dervied suspension, floating cross-drilled large brakes...
What was the E46 M3 list price... somewhere ITRO £48k when new? The Z4M/C around £42k?
So if the E90/2 M3 is pushing the high 50s, then a Z4M would quite easily sit in the low 50k bracket.
so at a minimum you, as noted, are looking at mid 50's for a V8 Zed plus what you'd option... attractive as such a car would be I'd wager BMW are trying to square off demand for a near 911 price rivalling zed with size of market for such a car. The relatively few ZedMs that there were that lead to the excellent window as a second hand car circa 2008 (Mine was 22.5K with 24k mile AUC and loaded - original invoice 49K) showed that as a new propositon market was heavily constrained and in all liklihood would lead to loss of sales from M3 coupe/cab rather than securing sales from eqivalents e.g SLK55 or Carerra 2s Once your in the mid to high fifties - is it that much of a stretch to a carerra 2... my guess that was part reason M£ drifted in price was to get downsizers who saw V8 at 10K discount as attractive for the slightly less prestige badge
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