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Mr MXT

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7,774 posts

307 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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...so after destroying yet another set of pads, my mate with a stage 3 VX220T has suggested I try a set of Carbone Lorraines.

They aren't cheap - does anyone have any experience of them?

Im thinking CL's front and Ultimates rear, with Standard discs.

MX-5 Lazza

7,954 posts

243 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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I've heard them mentioned but don't really know anything about them. What have you been using?

Mr MXT

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7,774 posts

307 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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MX-5 Lazza said:
I've heard them mentioned but don't really know anything about them. What have you been using?
Ive tried a few combinations, I've had Yellows all round, Axxis Ultimates front and yellows rear, then I was told by 5speed that Ultimates have been discontinued and replaced with "Stoptech" something or other. Had two front sets of them, the first of which provided good stopping power, but when I came to swap them out they were crumbling and in very poor condition. The last set I had went on in May, have done a little fast road and 11 Nurburgring laps and have completely fallen to pieces.

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MX-5 Lazza

7,954 posts

243 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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Stoptech aren't replacements for Axxis Ultimates. Axxis ULT are which are the same thing with an updated name. Stoptech are nothing to do with Axxis, completely different companies.

Axxis ULT
Stoptech

Maybe what Steve was saying was that his company had stopped supplying Axxis pads and were replacing them with Stoptech?

Mr MXT

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7,774 posts

307 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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MX-5 Lazza said:
Stoptech aren't replacements for Axxis Ultimates. Axxis ULT are which are the same thing with an updated name. Stoptech are nothing to do with Axxis, completely different companies.

Axxis ULT
Stoptech

Maybe what Steve was saying was that his company had stopped supplying Axxis pads and were replacing them with Stoptech?
I thought it a bit odd to be fair, as everyone else could seem to get hold of them!


MX-5 Lazza

7,954 posts

243 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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I'm not sure where you do get them from though as both 5speed & P5 have stopped supplying them. If you find a source please let me know as I'll probably go back to them when I've worn these Yellows out.

Mr MXT

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307 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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MX-5 Lazza said:
I'm not sure where you do get them from though as both 5speed & P5 have stopped supplying them. If you find a source please let me know as I'll probably go back to them when I've worn these Yellows out.
I'm going to gineau pig the CLs!

skinny

5,269 posts

259 months

Monday 18th July 2011
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if the axxiss are gone now think i'll stick to the mintex M1144, if i can just find which ones i need for the sport brakes. no-one seems particularly sure...?

Aizle

12,429 posts

199 months

Tuesday 19th July 2011
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There is a guy on Nutz who got Ultimaxx from the US.

Phil maybe? Do a search, he will definitely come up. Look for axxis bedding in procedure.

JonnyFive

29,783 posts

213 months

Tuesday 19th July 2011
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Aizle said:
There is a guy on Nutz who got Ultimaxx from the US.

Phil maybe? Do a search, he will definitely come up. Look for axxis bedding in procedure.
Thats who I got mine from.

Might get another set just incase he can't get anymore for when these run out.

Dustyw536

43 posts

203 months

Tuesday 19th July 2011
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Ive got a mate who uses Loraines on his elise trophy car. Apparently very good but they do squeel a LOT, not sure how good theyd be on the road really

skinny

5,269 posts

259 months

Tuesday 19th July 2011
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carbotech's are meant to be pretty hot, XP8 or XP10
from an initial glance they seem to be a similar price to the CL's

probably too much for what i need tho, we're looking at around £140 fronts £120 rear for the lower rated (carbotech XP8 / Carbon Lorraine RC5+) pads and £160 front £130 rear for the higher (Carbotech XP10 / CL RC6)...

Edited by skinny on Tuesday 19th July 16:56

Xenocide

4,286 posts

232 months

Tuesday 19th July 2011
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I've got yellows in the front of mine and they're st. Any suggestions for replacements welcome smile

MX-5 Lazza

7,954 posts

243 months

Wednesday 20th July 2011
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Xenocide said:
I've got yellows in the front of mine and they're st. Any suggestions for replacements welcome smile
Really? The yellows on mine are decent enough. I still prefer the Axxis Ultimates but the yellows have actually been fine once that horrible bedding-in layer was worn off and they were properly bedded in on track.

Xenocide

4,286 posts

232 months

Wednesday 20th July 2011
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Meh, I find they give no feel, takes ages to get up to temperature, lovely when they're up there though.

MX-5 Lazza

7,954 posts

243 months

Thursday 21st July 2011
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Ah, mine felt like that before I got them fully bedded in. Going through the usual burn-in procedure I use for Axxis Ultimates didn't really do it (brake hard from 70ish to 15ish, repeat until brakes have faded to nothing then try to coast home and leave it until morning - no handbrake) but a track session sorted them out and now they feel fine, just like standard Mazda pads but with no track fade.

youngsyr

14,742 posts

216 months

Thursday 21st July 2011
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Carbotechs are the business - I've used two sets of XP10s on my Evo for the past three years after swapping out from a set of Performance Friction pads and they're in a different league. Immense stopping power and great pedal feel. They're very highly rated in the Evo owner's club too.

The UK distributor has just bought a Mk2 MX-5 so the pads should become more widely known about amongst enthusiasts.

If you're destroying other cheaper pads I'd give a set of XP8s a try.

towelie

269 posts

194 months

Thursday 21st July 2011
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my brothers mate has carbon loraine on his megane r26.r, they are supposed to be really good.. the brakes on his car feel like you've hit a brick wall, but that could also be due to the brembo calipers.. The brakes absolutely eat discs aswell, don't think hes had any problem with fade apart from he managed to boil his brake fluid at oulton!

skinny

5,269 posts

259 months

Thursday 21st July 2011
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youngsyr said:
Carbotechs are the business - I've used two sets of XP10s on my Evo for the past three years after swapping out from a set of Performance Friction pads and they're in a different league. Immense stopping power and great pedal feel. They're very highly rated in the Evo owner's club too.

The UK distributor has just bought a Mk2 MX-5 so the pads should become more widely known about amongst enthusiasts.

If you're destroying other cheaper pads I'd give a set of XP8s a try.
yeah i've had a few emails to and back from ian at carbotech europe, seems pretty helpful and open to the suggestion of a discount on pads if peeps are interested smile

he suggests that for anything apart from a pure track car, XP8's would be plenty on an mx5.

youngsyr

14,742 posts

216 months

Thursday 21st July 2011
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skinny said:
youngsyr said:
Carbotechs are the business - I've used two sets of XP10s on my Evo for the past three years after swapping out from a set of Performance Friction pads and they're in a different league. Immense stopping power and great pedal feel. They're very highly rated in the Evo owner's club too.

The UK distributor has just bought a Mk2 MX-5 so the pads should become more widely known about amongst enthusiasts.

If you're destroying other cheaper pads I'd give a set of XP8s a try.
yeah i've had a few emails to and back from ian at carbotech europe, seems pretty helpful and open to the suggestion of a discount on pads if peeps are interested smile

he suggests that for anything apart from a pure track car, XP8's would be plenty on an mx5.
That's the same reasoning they give on Evos, but XP8s have a tendency to squeal if not regularly abused. XP10s don't, and provide better performance when hot, whilst giving up a little performance from cold over the XP10s. I'm more than happy with them on my 99.9% road use Evo.